About that "jewish" wedding

[YitzyS]

You know what's yehareg v'al yaavor? Shfichas damim.. all you keyboard poskim would encourage bi-sexual or gay women to commit suicide as it offends your frumkeit..

You are the problem, not them... They never bothered me or shoved their opinions and certainly never falsely implied they are better off dead.

I asked a friend who is a tremendous gaon and was a dayan on a well respected beis din for gitin and geiyorus.

He told me it's absolutely not aryos and most definitely not yehareg v'al yaavor.

[imayid2]

I feel so overjoyed in knowing this forum is filled with poskim and dayanim.

I asked a friend who is a tremendous gaon and was a dayan on a well respected beis din for gitin and geiyorus.

He told me it's absolutely not aryos and most definitely not yehareg v'al yaavor.

He said it's a machlokes if it's m'deoraysa...

This has been duly noted up thread.

[imayid2]

I bet half the holy folks here talk in shul

Lol!
You gotta realize that this just isn't the same thing.

[Definitions]

@chevron (or anybody really) why were the meraglim deserving of misa in this week's parsha?

[YitzyS]

The fact that there is a conversation like this going on here is horrifying.

This is not about taking a ruler and measuring if the sins in this specific even were harog v'al yaavor, d'oiraya, or "only" d'rabonon. This much more serious.

This is war against Hashem and his Torah! All-out war, with the single objective being to normalize these sins and to destroy all moral value in the frum community. In war, you don't sit back and start making nuanced cheshbonos. There are no justifications here.

בשעת השמד אפילו על מצוה קלה יהרג ואל יעבור

This is war, and there is no place for sympathy or judging favorably. There must be a united, unambiguous condemnation for these despicable people, who fight against our own dear Father.

[chevron]

The fact that there is a conversation like this going on here is horrifying.

This is not about taking a ruler and measuring if the sins in this specific even were harog v'al yaavor, d'oiraya, or "only" d'rabonon. This much more serious.

This is war against Hashem and his Torah! All-out war, with the single objective being to normalize these sins and to destroy all moral value in the frum community. In war, you don't sit back and start making nuanced cheshbonos. There is no justifications here. There must be a united, unambiguous condemnation for these despicable people, who fight against our own dear Father.

בשעת השמד אפילו על מצוה קלה יהרג ואל יעבור

This is war, and there is no place for sympathy or judging favorably.

Ok well, let's start by killing everyone who talks in shul.

[YitzyS]

Ok well, let's start by killing everyone who talks in shul.

You are doing a terrible thing by conflating these two actions.

One is a sin, the other is a war against our Creator.

[chevron]

The fact that there is a conversation like this going on here is horrifying.

This is not about taking a ruler and measuring if the sins in this specific even were harog v'al yaavor, d'oiraya, or "only" d'rabonon. This much more serious.

This is war against Hashem and his Torah! All-out war, with the single objective being to normalize these sins and to destroy all moral value in the frum community. In war, you don't sit back and start making nuanced cheshbonos. There are no justifications here.

בשעת השמד אפילו על מצוה קלה יהרג ואל יעבור

This is war, and there is no place for sympathy or judging favorably. There must be a united, unambiguous condemnation for these despicable people, who fight against our own dear Father.

This is the most pathetic statement I've ever seen

So you advocate killing everyone who is transgressing anything miderabanan?

Just lovely..   in line of the fact that's an actual machlokes if 2 females is rabbinical prohibition or not... You say awe screw it "let's kill them all"

You have no idea how demented you sound

[chevron]

You are doing a terrible thing by conflating these two actions.

One is a sin, the other is a war against our Creator.

That's just like your opinion man .

[YitzyS]

This is the most pathetic statement I've ever seen

So you advocate killing everyone who is transgressing anything miderabanan?

Just lovely..   in line of the fact that's an actual machlokes if 2 females is rabbinical prohibition or not... You say awe screw it "let's kill them all"

You have no idea how demented you sound

You are doing a terrible thing by conflating these two actions.

One is a sin, the other is a war against our Creator.

[imayid2]

@chevron (or anybody really) why were the meraglim deserving of misa in this week's parsha?

Nice אור החיים on that

[JMHO]

Ok well, let's start by killing everyone who talks in shul.

Why?

[liosac]

Ok well, let's start by killing everyone who talks in shul.

Show me a pro talking in shul event, pro-talking in shul pride movements celebrations, flag waving, and student groups, and organized campaigns saturating the media with the message that talking in shul is natural, cannot be changed, and anyone who claims there is bechirah and doesn’t support those talking in shul is a cave man. Then have mass articles attacking those disturbed by talking in shul calling them intolerant, lacking ahavas Yisroel, causing Jews to go OTD, prioritizing a dirabanon of talking in shul over the mitzvah of making other Jews happy etc.

You bet this board would be up in arms.

[liosac]

I feel so overjoyed in knowing this forum is filled with poskim and dayanim.

I asked a friend who is a tremendous gaon and was a dayan on a well respected beis din for gitin and geiyorus.

He told me it's absolutely not aryos and most definitely not yehareg v'al yaavor.

He said it's a machlokes if it's m'deoraysa...

You know what's yehareg v'al yaavor? Shfichas damim.. all you keyboard poskim would encourage bi-sexual or gay women to commit suicide as it offends your frumkeit..

You are the problem, not them... They never bothered me or shoved their opinions and certainly never falsely implied they are better off dead.

It’s sad that you don’t se the significance of this movement against Hashem and his Torah. The possuk כמעשה ארץ מצרים אשר ישבתם בה לא תעשו which chazal tell us refers to אשה נושא אשה is not some minor issue. The בכור שור says כי אף הם מאוסים בעיני; ואם תעשו כמעשיהם , מה הועלתי במה שהחלפתי בכם

Hashem as it were says what use is it to have chosen you as my nation if you emulate their ways. Immorality is repugnant in the eyes of Hashem. There is no sugar coating it. Sorry.

[Lurker]

Not to diminish the enormity of what is being discussed here, but this thread caused my status to be clawed back. Nothing good comes from this friggin Pride stuff....

[Definitions]

Nice אור החיים on that

I don't think it's answering the question though

[imayid2]

I don't think it's answering the question though

I see.

I think it’s complimented nicely by this piece said by Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman:

בחטא המרגלים שנענשו במיתה, למה היו חייבין מיתה! האם בשביל לשון הרע חייבין מיתה! ומשמע דפעמים מעניש הקנייה בעונש חמור יותר מכפי פסק דין שיש לאדם אחר העובר על זה, ואולי יש לבאר זה דהנה אמרו כי בעצם הנפש החוטאת היתה צריכה למות, אלא מחסדי השי"ת כי לא תמות, ובכל אלו היות שיש הנהגה של סביביו נשערה מאד, או משום מדה כנגד מדה, וכן במרגלים היה איזה טעם שרצה הקב"ה להענישן יותר מכפי הדין, אז יש יוצא מן הכלל של החסר המיוחד ודנים עמו כמו שאמרו דמעיקר הדין הנפש החוטאת תמות.

ETA Seforno in the beginning of the parsha says מפני חילול השם שעשו שאינו מתכפר אלא במיתה.

[Baruch]

This is the most pathetic statement I've ever seen

So you advocate killing everyone who is transgressing anything miderabanan?

Just lovely..   in line of the fact that's an actual machlokes if 2 females is rabbinical prohibition or not... You say awe screw it "let's kill them all"

You have no idea how demented you sound

I don't know if I've ever seen a bigger strawman on DDF. If you're against people making a public ceremony against Hashem, than you're in favor of killing them.

[Baruch]

All the arguments here being made about how 2 ladies isn't as bad a 2 men is ridiculous, if you think this doesn't lead to Modox 2 men wedding, you're delusional. And whoever participated in that abomination knows that.

[Alexsei]

I just read thru this thread and I’m literally shocked that some people are trying to justify such evil things. Great thing that DDF is anonymous, otherwise I’d be embarrassed to chat with such people.

I actually made sure that people around me know my handle here, to hold me accountable for what I write.