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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2012, 10:31:32 AM »
Let’s not make a federal case out of this. It is not that hard to get it corrected.
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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2012, 10:32:06 AM »
Class action lawsuit could claim: 1. nobody knew that Airline miles are taxable, which in fact they are not currency, and they aren't considered earned income, especially that the airlines forbid to get cash out of them.
2. Citi pays for them no more the 1 cent per mile, so they are not aloud to 1099 people in the amount of 2.5, where they actually didn't have business expenses in that amount.

1. It doesn't have to be currency to be taxable income.
2. What does the rate Citi pays for miles have to do with the inherent value of the miles?

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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2012, 10:33:40 AM »
even if you do multiple offers in one year?

the 23,500 wouldn't ALONE trigger a 1099. I am not sure about the answer to your question though.

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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2012, 10:37:24 AM »
Not true. People that have done these offers have also gotten 1099'd.
Like the savings accounts etc. you get 1099'd for every penny.

Here are a few scenarios for the group:
1. If a credit card company requires you to spend X to get reward Y, then the reward Y is, for tax purposes, considered a rebate off of the purchases you made when you spent X and is therefore not taxable. If it were taxable, then you'd be getting 1099's up the wazoo from AA, because they (not Citi) value miles at 2.5 cpm for tax purposes.

2. If a bank requires you to A) open an interest bearing account (checking or savings) and b) deposit money into that account and C) maintain that amount for a certain amount of time, minimum 1 day and D) gives you a reward for it, that reward is considered interest incom (INT-INC) which will get you a 1099 from your bank if you pass $10.

3. What Citi does with AA miles does not fall into #2 because the required behavior did not involve maintaining a balance in an interest bearing account. Therefore, they only have to 1099 their customers (something they would rather NOT do, imo) if it is over $600 in value. At 2.5 cpm, 25k miles ($625) and 40k miles ($1000) both pass that threshold.

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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2012, 10:39:32 AM »
If you did not redeem the miles in 2011 you should not receive a 1099-MISC. The miles have no value until you redeem them. Also did you redeem them at a rate of lower than 2.5 cents? You can fight this on many fronts.

False. Thank You Points are taxable in the year redeemed. But AA miles are taxable in the year received. That is why people who opened accounts in Q3 2010 for 40K miles (but the miles didn't post until 2011) are receiving their 1099s now.

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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2012, 02:19:17 PM »
Here are a few scenarios for the group:
1. If a credit card company requires you to spend X to get reward Y, then the reward Y is, for tax purposes, considered a rebate off of the purchases you made when you spent X and is therefore not taxable. If it were taxable, then you'd be getting 1099's up the wazoo from AA, because they (not Citi) value miles at 2.5 cpm for tax purposes.
So I can buy a baby gift for my employee for $150, and value it at $10,000.
That would be great!!
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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2012, 04:48:46 PM »
False. Thank You Points are taxable in the year redeemed. But AA miles are taxable in the year received. That is why people who opened accounts in Q3 2010 for 40K miles (but the miles didn't post until 2011) are receiving their 1099s now.
I stated what Citi should be doing. TYP and miles both have no value until redeemed. They should be treated the same way. Do a search and you will see how some have had Citi issue corrected 1099’s because of this. This is not the first year this has happened.
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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2012, 05:01:34 PM »
Dumb question here.
Is a gc for opening an account the same category as cash, thus generating a 1099?

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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2012, 06:36:28 PM »
Dumb question here.
Is a gc for opening an account the same category as cash, thus generating a 1099?
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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2012, 08:21:23 PM »
My bank (I mean one of my banks...) sent me a 1099-INT for a iPod touch. Hard to understand how they define a iPod into interest.

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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2012, 10:22:04 PM »
So I can buy a baby gift for my employee for $150, and value it at $10,000.
That would be great!!

If you're a too-big-to-fail bank and have the government in your pocket, yes.

But seriously, miles' value isn't as fixed as your $150 gift, and they can make 'valid' arguments for valuating AA @ 2.5cpm, AA charges more than that for certain denominations.
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Re: Citibank 1099
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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2012, 03:20:31 PM »
Is this entire conversation about AA miles and TY points from bank accounts?  Has anyone received a 1099 for credit card sign up bonus AA miles? 

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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2012, 03:43:41 PM »
Is this entire conversation about AA miles and TY points from bank accounts?  Has anyone received a 1099 for credit card sign up bonus AA miles?
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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2012, 05:06:09 PM »
i received a 1099-misc for 1,500 from citibank.  i was unable to determine where they got that amount from.  i only opened a bank account once - i think it was for 25K miles.....

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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2012, 07:03:26 PM »
i received a 1099-misc for 1,500 from citibank.  i was unable to determine where they got that amount from.  i only opened a bank account once - i think it was for 25K miles.....

$1500 for 250 miles ???
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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2012, 11:08:02 AM »
Interesting article in the LA Times

 "When frequent-flier miles are provided as a premium for opening a financial account, it can be a taxable situation subject to reporting under current law," said Michelle Eldridge, an IRS spokeswoman.

Seems unclear whether that would include CC bonuses. Lets hope not...

At least CC spend is confirmed to be non taxable. 

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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2012, 11:46:07 AM »
Seems unclear whether that would include CC bonuses. Lets hope not...
I'm not sure what you think is unclear about what the IRS said.  Nothing new there.
What's more interesting is that Citi can report those miles to be worth anything they feel like and you have to pay up on their valuation (unless you contest it, though that may be asking to be audited)
The real question is why Citi is valuing them so highly.  Can they actually take a write-off for 2.5cpm if they only pay 1cpm?

""When frequent-flier miles are provided as a premium for opening a financial account, it can be a taxable situation subject to reporting under current law," said Michelle Eldridge, an IRS spokeswoman.

OK, so Citi apparently has that part right. But what about miles received for using a credit card or handed out by an airline just for taking a trip?

Eldridge said that in those cases, miles wouldn't be taxable because they're more like a rebate.


"A common analogy," she said, "is buying a $500 television at a retail store and receiving a $50 manufacturer's rebate. It's not income, just a deemed reduction of the cost of the television."

What about valuing the miles? In Citi's case, the bank is declaring that miles received by customers are worth about 2.5 cents apiece. But tax pros say Citi almost certainly acquired them for less, probably closer to 1 cent each.

"Under the income tax law," Eldridge replied, "the amount of income to the taxpayer is the value of the property received, not the cost that the business paid to acquire the property."

Therefore, it doesn't matter how much the miles were worth to Citi when the bank deducted them as a business expense. The value that must be reported by taxpayers is whatever Citi says it is."
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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2012, 11:48:54 AM »
I think the concern is with the sign-up bonus miles.  Initial bonus miles are not really a rebate but a premium for opening an account. 

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Re: Citibank 1099
« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2012, 12:05:16 PM »
Couldn't "opening a financial account " also include opening a CC?