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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #140 on: July 25, 2023, 02:01:57 PM »
Jewish issue or in-town issue?
This is almost like Abbott and Costello's use of "Third Base!" in the famous baseball bit.

Every conversation leads back to it.

... "THIRD BASE!"

... "MOVE TO CLEVELAND!"

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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #141 on: July 25, 2023, 02:05:34 PM »
This is almost like Abbott and Costello's use of "Third Base!" in the famous baseball bit.

Every conversation leads back to it.

... "THIRD BASE!"

... "MOVE TO CLEVELAND!"



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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #142 on: July 25, 2023, 02:10:27 PM »



what do you think will happen to Cleveland (if/when) everyone moves there?

 
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Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #143 on: July 25, 2023, 02:10:30 PM »
Jewish issue or in-town issue?
Advocating for an upper class grocery and assisting in the opening of a higher end restaurant in your town won't help you win this argument.

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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #144 on: July 25, 2023, 02:32:21 PM »
Advocating for an upper class grocery and assisting in the opening of a higher end restaurant in your town won't help you win this argument.
There's a difference between a well balanced city which has high end restaurants and supermarkets for those that choose to patronize them and a city where every supermarket sans NPGS fits that description.

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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #145 on: July 25, 2023, 02:42:26 PM »
There's a difference between a well balanced city which has high end restaurants and supermarkets for those that choose to patronize them and a city where every supermarket sans NPGS fits that description.

you mean like Kosher West?
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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #146 on: July 25, 2023, 02:43:45 PM »
you mean like Kosher West?
True. But still priced as such.

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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #147 on: July 25, 2023, 02:54:30 PM »
True. But still priced as such.
Meh. To be fair, npgs is 3 locations and there is still super stop, kosher village, and more.
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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #148 on: July 25, 2023, 04:51:19 PM »
I think his point is that even though a store may cater to a higher class and want to be fancier, the increased prices far exceed the cost of running a more upscale store. So then why the high prices? Either because the higher prices themselves give off a more upscale feel, but that's unlikely, and therefore it probably has more to do with the clientele not being aware of what they are spending.

Who are any of us to decide what the price should be for the product they are providing? They set a value, and the market determines whether the product is worth the value they placed on it. If they were the only game in town, it would be a different conversation. If customers aren't paying attention to the prices and aren't going to the cheaper store, that's 100% on them.
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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #149 on: July 25, 2023, 04:59:23 PM »
what do you think will happen to Cleveland (if/when) everyone moves there?
Uh. Let me go look outside.
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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #150 on: July 25, 2023, 05:04:10 PM »
Who are any of us to decide what the price should be for the product they are providing? They set a value, and the market determines whether the product is worth the value they placed on it.
I'm not sure I understand. With many things there is a pretty standard price range. Unless you mean that all the increased "value" of a fancy store is baked into the higher food price.
If they were the only game in town, it would be a different conversation. If customers aren't paying attention to the prices and aren't going to the cheaper store, that's 100% on them.
Again I dont understand your point. I would agree with you if they were the only store that then it would be much harder to set a price for what is being provided. Why is there less fault on the stores when there are multiple options?

I happen to agree that there is 100% responsibility on the shopper, but that doesn't mean that the stores aren't taking advantage. A store can't say "since there are more options we have every right to take advantage of unsuspecting customers". If every consumer was 100% aware of the options and prices and all the variables for shopping at different places then maybe a store can make such a claim, but assuming, which I think you agree to, that many shoppers dont conciously plan on getting ripped off, that the stores might be taking advantage.

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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #151 on: July 25, 2023, 09:25:27 PM »
I'm not sure I understand. With many things there is a pretty standard price range. Unless you mean that all the increased "value" of a fancy store is baked into the higher food price.

Again I dont understand your point. I would agree with you if they were the only store that then it would be much harder to set a price for what is being provided. Why is there less fault on the stores when there are multiple options?

I happen to agree that there is 100% responsibility on the shopper, but that doesn't mean that the stores aren't taking advantage. A store can't say "since there are more options we have every right to take advantage of unsuspecting customers". If every consumer was 100% aware of the options and prices and all the variables for shopping at different places then maybe a store can make such a claim, but assuming, which I think you agree to, that many shoppers dont conciously plan on getting ripped off, that the stores might be taking advantage.

Let me try to come at this from a different angle. In my area, there are a few different types of stores. There are the budget stores, like Walmart, Target, and Aldi. There are the middle class stores, offering a nicer experience, but with higher prices, such as Publix and Winn Dixie. We have health food stores, including Whole Foods, The Fresh Market, Sprouts, and Nutrition Smart. And then there are the specialty stores, targeting ethnic demographics like Kosher, Asian, Hispanic, and Italian.

Within each group, there are strengths and weaknesses, and each of the groups also covers different price points (ex. Target is pricier and nicer than Walmart, some ethnic markets are cheaper or nicer than others). No one faults Publix for being 30-100% more expensive than Walmart, because they are offering a different overall product: a more customer-centric shopping experience. Same goes for the ethnic markets; people don't complain that the Italian market's produce is 500% higher than Walmart. They have a great product, and budget produce isn't it. Each business is successful at servicing people who are looking for what they offer.

If I want to open a kosher store in BP, there's no way I can compete with KRM on budget, so I'd try for a different demographic. I can choose to focus on prepared foods, costumer experience, higher-end products, or any other niche where I feel can be successful. If you walk into my higher-end store expecting KRM prices, you're in the wrong place. If you don't feel you're getting value out of what I'm offering, go someplace which will give you that value. You don't get to have tainos on my pricing. I'm not taking advantage of anybody; my product is what it is, and it may not be for you. I don't owe anybody anything. If there isn't enough demand for what I'm offering, my business will have to change or it won't survive. If there are enough people who feel that another budget store is warranted, you can be sure that someone will come fill the void sooner or later. That has nothing to do with me or my choice of business model.

Now, if I was the only source of kosher products in the area, and I bill myself as providing a service to the community, and my existence is prohibiting another store from opening (exclusive deals, limited customer base, etc.), then I can understand you having an issue with me taking advantage of circumstances to the the detriment of the community. Additionally, if there are multiple stores in the area, and they all collude to restrict competition and keep prices high for personal gain, there again I understand your tainos. What I don't understand is anyone deciding that there is a "standard" that needs to be adhered to, and to assign "fault" on stores who don't meet this arbitrary "standard." Short of collusion and profiteering, the free market allows consumers to control the prices.
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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #152 on: July 25, 2023, 11:05:08 PM »
Stores can def be cheaper, they don't want to. I know that gg bp specifically did not want to market themselves as a cheap store, rather as fresh and more upscale. Hard to believe with the chain of stores they have they don't have the same buying power as KRM which every item is a couple dollars less!
It comes back to the point that consumers don't care about swiping their card. Why would someone in bp not shop in krm? not fancy enough? that's the reason these stores charge this much people shop there!
I see people stocking up chocolate in the chocolate stores where their paying 21.99 lb for pardes choc which costs 13.49 lb in KRM!
Then there’s no problem, this is price discrimination at its finest. Let the price conscious shop at KRM and those who are ok with higher prices shop at GG and chocolate stores.
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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #153 on: July 25, 2023, 11:08:35 PM »
Meh. To be fair, npgs is 3 locations and there is still super stop, kosher village, and more.
Are you listing cheap locations or non-fancy? Because those aren’t cheap.
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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #154 on: July 25, 2023, 11:14:28 PM »
Are you listing cheap locations or non-fancy? Because those aren’t cheap.
I don't think I ever bought anything in the last 2
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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #155 on: July 25, 2023, 11:22:31 PM »
Jewish issue or in-town issue?

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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #156 on: July 25, 2023, 11:33:54 PM »
Let me try to come at this from a different angle....
Thank you for a well written response.
I still think there is a line some stores cross when they outright overcharge without providing value for it, but it will always be on the consumer to vote with their wallet to decide.

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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #157 on: July 26, 2023, 04:06:10 AM »
Thank you for a well written response.
I still think there is a line some stores cross when they outright overcharge without providing value for it, but it will always be on the consumer to vote with their wallet to decide.

What would you consider value?

Many of these stores have wider aisles, neater shelves, more selection, attentive and competent managers, more professional/experienced cashiers and packers etc.etc.  These are all costs they’re incurring which they need to recover when they sell flour/sugar and not just when they’re selling fancy prepared-food deli items.

You might argue that you’re satisfied with what you’re getting at the cheaper stores, which is your prerogative and means you aren’t the target customer here.
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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #158 on: July 26, 2023, 05:40:49 AM »
If every store had its loyal niche customers that shop there because the store speaks to them that would mean that if Seasons would be open in the same strip mall as GG or NPGS they would pretty much retain the same customers. I think most people would agree that that isn’t the case. There’s a reason they are now opening in Toms River. Yes, it is to serve a certain clientele that will tolerate higher prices for service/unique offerings or whatever else they feel they bring to the table. But there is also the captive audience factor. It’s not easy to get from point A to B across Lakewood so people tend to shop near where they live. Put them side by side with a cheaper store and you would see a substantial number of customers balk at 25% higher prices on many items and switch to the cheaper store.

You might argue that they are providing a unique service; the convenience of not have to slog through Lakewood traffic to the cheaper store. Yet their presence is also preventing a cheaper store from opening and serving that neighborhood in the first place, so in that sense they do have an obligation to the local customer, even if it isn’t to the same degree as a one store town. It’s definitely more complex than looking at it as each store operating in its niche.

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Re: Just in time for the 9 Days - Kosher meat prices in the US to skyrocket
« Reply #159 on: July 26, 2023, 07:46:30 AM »
Sometimes I think certain groceries are acting in a way like amusement parks selling soda.

We have you here anyways (got you here because of a sale or the wider neater aisles etc) so we will charge you 3 times more for products xyz because we know it doesn’t make sense for you to shlep out somewhere else to save a couple dollars on those few items.

Perfectly within their right, but gives you the feeling you’re being taken advantage of. (For all I know their business model needs that to survive, I don’t know enough of the economics from their side.)