OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment

[ari3]

Some other problems with this whole ou-d but it's only equipment thing are
1) you are often relying on hearsay (I heard this mashgiach said etc.. or worse someone on an anonymous forum said).
 2) Additionally no one is taking responsibility for this and the ingredients can change (and do change) and you would not necessarily find out about it. Unlike when the hashgocho attests that it is DE at least you know what you are getting.

[jye]

True but חכמת אדם and pri megadim argue.
See discussion here
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=130814.msg2639991#msg2639991

Either way this all has very little to do with what he wrote it the article which is inaccurate. And is it really always לח בלח?

Pri Megadim quoted above actually seems to agree with Rav Moshe. He adds in ליכא דבר טמא as a כל שכן

[imayid2]

Pri Megadim quoted above actually seems to agree with Rav Moshe. He adds in ליכא דבר טמא as a כל שכן

He says otherwise by חלת חוץ לארץ so to answer that we’d say that that’s what brought it over.

No?

[jye]

He says otherwise by חלת חוץ לארץ so to answer that we’d say that that’s what brought it over.

No?

Sure doesn’t sound like it

[imayid2]

Sure doesn’t sound like it

Sure doesn’t sound like it

If you don’t like the resolution that’s fine, but it’s unfair to flaunt a pri magadim in one place without acknowledging that he says otherwise somewhere else.

[S209]

Is Snyders snacks ou-d or ou-de?

https://consumer.crckosher.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Dairy-Equipment-2021-1.pdf

https://kosheratlanta.org/snyders-pretzels/


Apparently they’re not even OU-DE, they’re completely pareve, but the company lists all their products as OU-D.

[aygart]

https://consumer.crckosher.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Dairy-Equipment-2021-1.pdf

https://kosheratlanta.org/snyders-pretzels/


Apparently they’re not even OU-DE, they’re completely pareve, but the company lists all their products as OU-D.

Where do you see that?

[aygart]

Sounds interesting, if you have a chance to pull sources on this it would be appreciated.

WOuldn't this be the regular sofo lihispashet?

[imayid2]

WOuldn't this be the regular sofo lihispashet?

No, this is multiple batches, while “the regular” is dealing with everything at once.

[aygart]

No, this is multiple batches, while “the regular” is dealing with everything at once.

I am referring to within one batch. For example, in a pasteurizer, by the time the batch finishes flowing there will be shishim. This wouldn't always work for something like cookies etc.

[imayid2]

I am referring to within one batch. For example, in a pasteurizer, by the time the batch finishes flowing there will be shishim.

Ok, that’ll give you a few more applications. Far from a generally applicable heter.

[aygart]

Ok, that’ll give you a few more applications. Far from a generally applicable heter.

Correct. It works where it works. I think there were a few other shitos in chn"n that can each end up applicable in various cases but I don't remember them now.
Obviously the tzad that cholov akum is batel birov brought by PM"G would apply in all cases of keilim too.

[S209]

Where do you see that?

The first link mentions that Snyder’s pretzels are all labeled dairy even when they’re completely pareve for uniformity. The second lists these pretzels among those that are not actually OU-D. I made the leap myself to assuming these are in fact pareve but listed as OU-D.

[aygart]

The first link mentions that Snyder’s pretzels are all labeled dairy even when they’re completely pareve for uniformity. The second lists these pretzels among those that are not actually OU-D. I made the leap myself to assuming these are in fact pareve but listed as OU-D.

So you are assuming that none are actually DE? That is a pretty large baseless jump.

[S209]

So you are assuming that none are actually DE? That is a pretty large baseless jump.

Not entirely unfounded, but I guess it isn’t certain. The first article leaves room to assume that the D component on the products without any dairy ingredients is completely unnecessary and just to ensure uniformity of labeling. It may be that there is dairy equipment used for some of the products but why would you assume that?

[aygart]

Not entirely unfounded, but I guess it isn’t certain. The first article leaves room to assume that the D component on the products without any dairy ingredients is completely unnecessary and just to ensure uniformity of labeling. It may be that there is dairy equipment used for some of the products but why would you assume that?

Because they specify "An example of this is plain (unflavored) Snyder’s pretzels". Obviously some production line somewhere produces dairy. Why would you assume that not a single other product is made on that line and that everything is the same as plain?

[S209]

Because they specify "An example of this is plain (unflavored) Snyder’s pretzels". Obviously some production line somewhere produces dairy. Why would you assume that not a single other product is made on that line and that everything is the same as plain?

It’s true I can’t assume not, but there is definitely a chance they don’t run other products on that. Curious if they actually do. I’m no expert on these things though so I probably shouldn’t have made the jump.

[aygart]

It’s true I can’t assume not, but there is definitely a chance they don’t run other products on that. Curious if they actually do. I’m no expert on these things though so I probably shouldn’t have made the jump.

The most likely is that the pretzels themselves are parve while the added flavors are D or DE

[Baruch]

I don’t understand this.

Keilem are always assumed to have more than 1/60 of what they contain, why is commercial any different?
Shefa is when the amount of issur itself is negligible.

Here's the Mechaber with the Nosei Keilim
https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%9F_%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%9A_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%94_%D7%93%D7%A2%D7%94_%D7%A6%D7%98_%D7%96

The only way I can understand his point is regarding אין מבטלין איסור לכתחילה, that if it's shefa it would be mutar.
But in truth I would think most people would be soimeich on Rav Moshe for ein mevatlin either way.

[imayid2]

Here's the Mechaber with the Nosei Keilim
https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%9F_%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%9A_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%94_%D7%93%D7%A2%D7%94_%D7%A6%D7%98_%D7%96

The only way I can understand his point is regarding אין מבטלין איסור לכתחילה, that if it's shefa it would be mutar.
But in truth I would think most people would be soimeich on Rav Moshe for ein mevatlin either way.

Not sure what you mean. There shouldn’t be an issue of אין מבטלין if the company is doing it anyway.