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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2023, 09:46:22 PM »
מעיקרא מה קסבר שלבסוף מה קסבר
Why did they initially have the DE Indicator and why did they decide to replace it with the D indicator?
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2023, 11:46:28 PM »
מעיקרא מה קסבר שלבסוף מה קסבר
Why did they initially have the DE Indicator and why did they decide to replace it with the D indicator?
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2023, 11:48:48 PM »
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2023, 11:52:38 PM »
When did they have DE?
I have no idea, OP said they did and stopped
They list the DE designation here
https://oukosher.org/blog/industrial-kosher/all-ou-symbols-explained/
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2023, 11:55:54 PM »
I have no idea, OP said they stopped
I don't think they ever did other that a few individual product exceptions.
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2023, 11:34:46 PM »
If people are makpid on chalav Yisrael, do they refrain from eating DE products?
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2023, 11:48:18 PM »
If people are makpid on chalav Yisrael, do they refrain from eating DE products?
Many not.
Some (in particular Chabad), yes.

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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2023, 12:05:37 AM »
If people are makpid on chalav Yisrael, do they refrain from eating DE products?
Those that are makpid as a chumrah, usually they are not makpid on Kielim. Whereas those who hold it as halacha (Lubavitch, and other Chasidim), are more likely to be makpid on Kielim as well.
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2023, 09:59:56 AM »
מעיקרא מה קסבר שלבסוף מה קסבר
Why did they initially have the DE Indicator and why did they decide to replace it with the D indicator?
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2023, 02:21:04 PM »
I don't think they ever did other that a few individual product exceptions.

As far as i can recall, when i was growing up DE was commonplace. The change happened around 15 years ago.

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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2023, 05:51:33 PM »
As far as i can recall, when i was growing up DE was commonplace. The change happened around 15 years ago.
This is definitely something you are mistaken about. I am absolutely certain and have it confirmed from many who were among the higher ups in thee OU at the time that as of 23-25 years ago there was no OU-DE and hadn't been for some time. I think that there never was but am not certain about that.
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2023, 06:05:58 PM »
This is definitely something you are mistaken about. I am absolutely certain and have it confirmed from many who were among the higher ups in thee OU at the time that as of 23-25 years ago there was no OU-DE and hadn't been for some time. I think that there never was but am not certain about that.

https://oukosher.org/content/uploads/2013/01/Behind-Summer02.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20010228173453/http://www.ou.org/kosher/dairy.htm

https://outorah.org/p/7317/
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2023, 06:11:41 PM »
When did they have DE?

OU has been on and off with it, saw it many times

Here’s an old list of some items

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/48037/creating-a-crowd-sourced-database-of-non-dairy-ou-d-products

Aunt Jemima Pancake Syrup (March 12, 2015 or so.)
Betty Crocker Frostings - anything that doesn't say "contains dairy" in the allergen warning - Dec 25, 2014
Blue Diamond Almond Breeze Almond Milk - all varieties - December 2014
Chex Mix Traditional - October 2016
Cap'n Crunch Cereal - Original - Dec 25, 2014
Cinammon Toast Cruch - October 2016
Cracker Jack (popcorn snacks) - Dec 25, 2014
Gardetto's snacks - Dec 25, 2014
General Mills Honey Nut Clusters - October 2016
Golden Grahams cereal - Dec 25, 2014
Haagen Dazs Sorbets - Dec 25, 2014
Luden's Sore Throat Lozenges - January 2015
Nabisco Graham Crackers and Teddy Grahams - Dec 25, 2014
Nesquik - original chocolate-flavored powder (all Nequick powder is not dairy EXCEPT the no sugar added, which is actually dairy) - Dec 25, 2014
New York Style Bagel Crisps EXCEPT cheese flavored - October 2016
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Oreo Original Mega Stuff Sandwich Cookie
Mini Original Oreo Sandwich Cookies
Chocolate Oreo Sandwich Cookies
Golden Oreo Sandwich Cookies
Triple Double Oreo Sandwich Cookies
Oreo Thins Sandwich Cookies
(See the OU website for 10+ more)
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Quaker Oatmeal Squares Cereal - Dec 25, 2014
Snyder's Pretzels - Unflavored - Dec 25, 2014
Stop and Shop Orange Juice - Dec 25, 2014

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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2023, 06:15:16 PM »
OU has been on and off with it, saw it many times

Here’s an old list of some items

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/48037/creating-a-crowd-sourced-database-of-non-dairy-ou-d-products

Aunt Jemima Pancake Syrup (March 12, 2015 or so.)
Betty Crocker Frostings - anything that doesn't say "contains dairy" in the allergen warning - Dec 25, 2014
Blue Diamond Almond Breeze Almond Milk - all varieties - December 2014
Chex Mix Traditional - October 2016
Cap'n Crunch Cereal - Original - Dec 25, 2014
Cinammon Toast Cruch - October 2016
Cracker Jack (popcorn snacks) - Dec 25, 2014
Gardetto's snacks - Dec 25, 2014
General Mills Honey Nut Clusters - October 2016
Golden Grahams cereal - Dec 25, 2014
Haagen Dazs Sorbets - Dec 25, 2014
Luden's Sore Throat Lozenges - January 2015
Nabisco Graham Crackers and Teddy Grahams - Dec 25, 2014
Nesquik - original chocolate-flavored powder (all Nequick powder is not dairy EXCEPT the no sugar added, which is actually dairy) - Dec 25, 2014
New York Style Bagel Crisps EXCEPT cheese flavored - October 2016
Oreo - February 20202, 3:

Original Oreo Sandwich Cookies
Oreo Double Stuf Sandwich Cookies
Oreo Original Mega Stuff Sandwich Cookie
Mini Original Oreo Sandwich Cookies
Chocolate Oreo Sandwich Cookies
Golden Oreo Sandwich Cookies
Triple Double Oreo Sandwich Cookies
Oreo Thins Sandwich Cookies
(See the OU website for 10+ more)
Pringles, if the ingredients don’t state ‘whey’ or ‘milk’ - April 24, 20184
Quaker Oatmeal Squares Cereal - Dec 25, 2014
Snyder's Pretzels - Unflavored - Dec 25, 2014
Stop and Shop Orange Juice - Dec 25, 2014
I am fairly sure that none of these were actually labeled with a DE. Just from the way they describe some makes it pretty clear they were labeled with a regular D. That is what the link says too
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OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2023, 06:30:48 PM »
I am fairly sure that none of these were actually labeled with a DE. Just from the way they describe some makes it pretty clear they were labeled with a regular D. That is what the link says too
Fact is that the "-DE" term is used universally; everyone didn't make it up. OU definitely had it on something at some point.

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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2023, 06:58:58 PM »
I am fairly sure that none of these were actually labeled with a DE. Just from the way they describe some makes it pretty clear they were labeled with a regular D. That is what the link says too

I definitely saw OU products with DE many times
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2023, 08:59:31 PM »
https://oukosher.org/halacha-yomis/i-have-seen-some-ou-products-labeled-ou-de-what-does-de-mean/

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bhang-receives-ou-kosher-certification-112500707.html

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As I've mentioned in other places, there have been a number of exceptions, most notably on plant based baby formula. This is a far cry from having seen on many products or that it originated from them. Kof-K and OK have been using the designation for many  years and it is much more likely that you saw it there or on baby formula than on cannabis chocolate or organic peanut butter cups.
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Re: OU-D Products that are Dairy Equipment
« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2023, 10:57:15 PM »

https://outorah.org/p/7317/

important element thats missing: What if the product is OU-D, and does not include "milk" in the allergy information?