United Crew Shames Woman Who Won’t Move Seats Due To Demand From Men

[biobook]

Could be, but I never lived in Israel so I don't know if there are generally accepted meanings to the various labels.

Labels change.  @mevinyavin will wake up soon and apprise us of the current usage.

[imayid2]

I find it astonishing that anyone would request someone to switch seats for these reasons.  You've just spent an hour or two in the airport with a relative/friend/colleague waiting for the flight, and now you can't stand the idea of having to spend the next few hours without them right next to you?  You're adults! It's just a plane ride!  You're presumably going somewhere together, and can talk there.

You sure have me flummoxed.
You really can’t understand why someone would very much prefer to be squished for 10 hours  next to someone they know?

[lcm]

I was on a flight a few weeks ago that me my wife and baby were all seated separate, and the FA on board helped move us together and the women who was moved came back mid flight 3 times to yell at me that I’m being selfish sitting next to my 2 year old on the plane.

Should have offered her to sit with and take care of your 2 year old

[Yehuda57]

I agree with you, but a child is a special case. 
I find it astonishing that anyone would request someone to switch seats for these reasons.  You've just spent an hour or two in the airport with a relative/friend/colleague waiting for the flight, and now you can't stand the idea of having to spend the next few hours without them right next to you?  You're adults! It's just a plane ride!  You're presumably going somewhere together, and can talk there.

I'm especially surprised to hear this on DDF, where some people choose specific seats well in advance, and suddenly it's acceptable to disrupt their plan at the last minute for your convenience.
I'm On Beyond Neria, I agree with everyone you said in that case. 
a. I don't think you were the one asking women to change seats for you.
b. It's not realistic to disrupt another person because of something that might happen a couple times accidentally.
c. I thought BMI was meaningless.

Pretty sure I'm on record as saying the covid vax was the only benefit of bmi.
People switching to set next to other adults in their travel party happens all. The. Time.

I'm also talking Beyond Neria, just using her name as an example. I drove by a church in Brooklyn today that had a black lives matter sign next to a stop Asian hate sign. I thought that the mostly likely victim of a hate crime in the city is a visible Jew, but then realized they probably didn't have room for a "don't sucker punch your slumlord disease carrier" sign.

[YitzyS]

Can I ask someone to switch seats with me because I don't want to sit near my kvetchy kids? 

[biobook]

You sure have me flummoxed.
You really can’t understand why someone would very much prefer to be squished for 10 hours next to someone they know?

Prefer? Sure
But I wouldn't think to inconvenience other travelers because I made the reservations too late to choose adjacent seats.

[Dan]

Prefer? Sure
But I wouldn't think to inconvenience other travelers because I made the reservations too late to choose adjacent seats.

As long as it's of equal or greater value and they're not sitting next to someone, why is it an inconvenience?

[biobook]

Pretty sure I'm on record as saying the covid vax was the only benefit of bmi.

But also more recently, I think, something about doctors misusing concept of BMI.

People switching to set next to other adults in their travel party happens all. The. Time.

Okay, there are two possibilities:

1. It doesn't happen on the flights I fly on.
2. I'm clueless about what's going on around me.

I admit that I don't know which of these is true.

[biobook]

As long as it's of equal or greater value and they're not sitting next to someone, why is it an inconvenience?

Equal or greater value is in the mind of the passenger.  If I've chosen my seat a few weeks ago, and decided that I wanted exactly this seat, and I'm already sitting down and put my suitcase up there, and my bag down there, and my stuff in the pocket... Then this is the best possible seat for me.  To be worth moving, it would have to be in first class.

[Dan]

Equal or greater value is in the mind of the passenger.  If I've chosen my seat a few weeks ago, and decided that I wanted exactly this seat, and I'm already sitting down and put my suitcase up there, and my bag down there, and my stuff in the pocket... Then this is the best possible seat for me.  To be worth moving, it would have to be in first class.

I agree that once your situated, it's different. To have the best odds, it has to be before they start putting their things away. At that point, most people couldn't care less if they're in 15C or 15D.

[biobook]

I agree that once your situated, it's different. To have the best odds, it has to be before they start putting their things away. At that point, most people couldn't care less if they're in 15C or 15D.

Even better would be to walk around the waiting area with a big sign, like the limo drivers hold up, but instead of someone's name it would have "Are you in seat 15C?" and then you could make the switch before they even get on the plane.

[dasmo801]

Equal or greater value is in the mind of the passenger.  If I've chosen my seat a few weeks ago, and decided that I wanted exactly this seat, and I'm already sitting down and put my suitcase up there, and my bag down there, and my stuff in the pocket... Then this is the best possible seat for me.  To be worth moving, it would have to be in first class.

So then you smile and say "I'm sorry, I chose this seat and I'm going to stay here" and move on. I'm really not getting the part where it becomes "how dare he have the nerve to think of asking me".

[Yehuda57]

Equal or greater value is in the mind of the passenger.  If I've chosen my seat a few weeks ago, and decided that I wanted exactly this seat, and I'm already sitting down and put my suitcase up there, and my bag down there, and my stuff in the pocket... Then this is the best possible seat for me.  To be worth moving, it would have to be in first class.

You don't realize how much more thought into planning you put in than the average person. I mean, go read your colonoscopy prep post, it's a thing of beauty, but not at all relatable to most people. The average passenger doesn't care where they sit in the slightest. The concept of looking at seat guru is entirely foreign to most people.

It's simply not an inconvenience. If someone is situated, and moving means more than just grabbing a novel and purse, then I have seen people refuse, and it is totally understandable. That's why if you aren't able to book seats together and you plan on asking someone to switch, it is important to board as early as possible to ask people before they get settled.

[biobook]

So then you smile and say "I'm sorry, I chose this seat and I'm going to stay here" and move on. I'm really not getting the part where it becomes "how dare he have the nerve to think of asking me".

Do you see a difference between these two:

Can you move so I can sit near my wife
Can you move because I don't want you to sit near me

[biobook]

I mean, go read your colonoscopy prep post, it's a thing of beauty, but not at all relatable to most people.

I bet Mendy Pellin could relate.  He has irritable bowel syndrome.

[S209]

Unless something bad g-d forbid happens to a religious person, the blogs will continue to put us down, call us out and be nasty.

Haha

[S209]

And my use of "constraining" and "telling" was with respect to the other report in that broadcast where women were told that they couldn't get on a certain bus, or had to sit in the back of the bus.

Are there similar buses for women where men are told they can’t get on the bus? Is that any better or worse? Are those reported on equally?

[ilherman]

I don't Chap... What the point is of saying that she really believes in her story? That only amplifies the theory that she is full of hate!

By now we all know that all he did was ask nicely if she would change seats. No threats, no demands etc. So why in earth would she believe that she was targeted? And then continue to make a Matzev.. Only because of her biased thinking and hate.

Unless you wanna say that she's just delusional.. Then she should look for a different job..

[biobook]

Are there similar buses for women where men are told they can’t get on the bus? Is that any better or worse? Are those reported on equally?

I don't have first-hand experience, I really don't know.  The TV segment seemed to be showing women trying to get on a city bus who were told it's full of men going to yeshiva, they need to wait for the next bus.

[imayid2]

Any expectation that United will release any more statements on this after looking in to it?