Corn on the cob, is it infested? how would you tell

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Corn on the cob, is it infested? how would you tell

I refrained from eating corn on the cob, since I was told (by friend's) that they are infested, is that the case?
it doesn't seem so from online resources available

https://www.star-k.org/articles/wp-content/uploads/bugchecking.pdf

from the OU
https://res.cloudinary.com/ouwp/images/v1675082481/Kosher/kosher/Produce-that-doesnt-require-checking/Produce-that-doesnt-require-checking.pdf?_i=AA

https://consumer.crckosher.org/consumer/fruitsvegetables/


so is there any truth to these rumors? I was wondering how canned corn is fine if they are truly infested

once we figure this out we can move on to grapes and then to strawberries,

[imayid2]

Corn on the cob, is it infested? how would you tell

I refrained from eating corn on the cob, since I was told (by friend's) that they are infested, is that the case?
it doesn't seem so from online resources available

https://www.star-k.org/articles/wp-content/uploads/bugchecking.pdf

from the OU
https://res.cloudinary.com/ouwp/images/v1675082481/Kosher/kosher/Produce-that-doesnt-require-checking/Produce-that-doesnt-require-checking.pdf?_i=AA

https://consumer.crckosher.org/consumer/fruitsvegetables/


so is there any truth to these rumors? I was wondering how canned corn is fine if they are truly infested

once we figure this out we can move on to grapes and then to strawberries,

Many times they are infested and you would not be able to tell. The Star k article says to remove and rinse for that reason, so it doesn't support what you're saying.

The OU is worthless in this area.

Basically, the issue is when eating the corn from the con, as there are many times insects between the kernels etc, but when cut off and rinsed with water it is fine.

[Moshe123]

Numerous video evidence that it's extremely problematic.

[imayid2]

Got this recently

[imayid2]

"Regularly infested"
https://cor.ca/consumers/produce-cleaning-guide/?id=58

https://consumer.crckosher.org/consumer/fruitsvegetables/

The CRCs standard for תולעים is substandard according to many.

(This thread should be merged to that one)

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there goes my day
okay I'll stick to danishes and cookies

are all corn equal?
some use bioengineering to make them Insect Resistance, which means they put less pesticides, which in return may give us more insects.
https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/BECornCropSummary.pdf
so while farmers are boasting about saving the environment we are growing by the day.

[yitzgar]

Many times they are infested and you would not be able to tell. The Star k article says to remove and rinse for that reason, so it doesn't support what you're saying.

The OU is worthless in this area.

Basically, the issue is when eating the corn from the con, as there are many times insects between the kernels etc, but when cut off and rinsed with water it is fine.

Remove peel and rinse is very different from what many other agencies are saying

[imayid2]

Remove peel and rinse is very different from what many other agencies are saying

You are correct, I misread that.

[imayid2]

https://vaadhakashrus.org/produce_vegetables/corn-on-the-cob/

Thrips and worms
» Can be found between the kernels of corn.

Fresh corn on the cob, especially in the warm summer months (June – September), can be infested with worms and thrips. When fresh corn on the cob is purchased and the husk is removed, worms can be very clearly seen
crawling on the inside part of the husk. Even though the husk portion is thrown away and the cob is thoroughly washed, there is a concern that worms/thrips might make their way between the kernels.
Based on this information, corn on the cob should not be barbequed in the husk.

 

In general, there is a difference of opinion among experts regarding fresh corn on the cob. For example, in Israel and in various hashgachos in America, fresh corn on the cob is not used. This is due to the presence of small orange/yellow thrips that are extremely difficult to distinguish from the corn itself. Additionally, in Israel, frozen corn on the cob is used only when bearing a reliable hashgachah indicating that the crop has been thoroughly inspected.

Presently, experts in the field of בדיקת תולעים here in America are doing further research to clearly ascertain the status of both fresh and frozen corn on the cob. The goal of this research is to accurately determine whether there is a frequent enough occurrence of finding the above-mentioned yellow/orange thrips to categorize corn on the cob as
Miut HaMatzui. This research will also include whether there is a difference in corn on the cob during different seasons of the year and whether there are differences based on the corn’s geographical origin.

(there is a video there too.)

https://asktherav.com/4910-how-to-check-corn-on-the-cob/

[aygart]

Considering that most people cook corn before eating it there is additional leniency when unsure.

[imayid2]

Considering that most people cook corn before eating it there is additional leniency when unsure.

There would be an אין עושים ספק ספיקא בידים issue to cook it because of that

[aygart]

There would be an אין עושים ספק ספיקא בידים issue to cook it because of that

Most people cook it either way

[imayid2]

Most people cook it either way

You cannot cook it without discharging your chiyuv bedika. This is crystal clear in סעיף ט.

[aygart]

You cannot cook it without discharging your chiyuv bedika. This is crystal clear in סעיף ט.

The case there is a clear miut hamatzui.

[imayid2]

The case there is a clear miut hamatzui.

Many would argue that so does corn on the cob. You need to have a valid safek, it may be חסרון ידיעה

[aygart]

Many would argue that so does corn on the cob. You need to have a valid safek, it may be חסרון ידיעה

Yes, it may be, but this is an additional leniency to add to the mix. My post was meant the way I wrote it and not the additions you are making then arguing with.

[imayid2]

Yes, it may be, but this is an additional leniency to add to the mix. My post was meant the way I wrote it and not the additions you are making.

The leniency you referred to is a leniency we find in regards to eating it בדיעבד, it is not generally applied to figuring out if you can go ahead and cook it without checking.

[aygart]

The leniency you referred to is a leniency we find in regards to eating it בדיעבד, it is not generally applied to figuring out if you can go ahead and cook it without checking.

There are a number of cases where poskim use that at the end it would be mutar bdieved in either case as a snif lkula.

[imayid2]

There are a number of cases where poskim use that at the end it would be mutar bdieved in either case as a snif lkula.

Source please?

The cases I’m aware of are where it’s impossible to check. That is not the case here since the corn can be removed and rinsed.

It may be assur bedieved if you make a ספק ספיקא לכתחילה בידים, need to check on that.

[Alexsei]

Wait a minute, are @imayid2 and @aygart chavrusa offline too???