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Re: ADL
« Reply #160 on: October 11, 2023, 09:25:23 PM »
Anti-Defamation League Director Slams MSNBC's Israel Coverage While On-Air: ‘Who Is Writing the Scripts? Hamas?'
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/anti-defamation-league-director-slams-msnbc-s-israel-coverage-while-on-air-who-is-writing-the-scripts-hamas/ar-AA1hWiGt?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=77dd4b88243b4381b8a57ae505ef8fb1&ei=8
Everyone is reporting that he asked if Hamas was writing the script. If you listen carefully I don't think he said that.

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Re: ADL
« Reply #161 on: October 11, 2023, 09:29:48 PM »
Is hate towards gay for being pedophiles allowed or not?
Is hate toward gay Jews/Catholics for being pedophiles allowed or not?  ;)
Not sure why you had to throw "gay" into it when talking about pedophiles. You saying that pedophiles are gay? 
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Re: ADL
« Reply #162 on: October 11, 2023, 09:34:29 PM »
Everyone is reporting that he asked if Hamas was writing the script. If you listen carefully I don't think he said that.
Hamas נקרא לפניו ולאחריו
Or in wheel of fortune terms "before and after"

Either way doesn't take away from the fact that he properly called them out.

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Re: ADL
« Reply #163 on: October 11, 2023, 09:37:55 PM »
Everyone is reporting that he asked if Hamas was writing the script. If you listen carefully I don't think he said that.
What does it sound like to you?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #164 on: October 11, 2023, 09:38:00 PM »
You can talk till you are blue in the face.

I don't expect or need every irrelevant organization to put out a statement. They will be too scared of the crazies to put out the full statement anyhow. I am fine if they just keep quiet. But an organization to speak out about anti-semitism needs to speak out against those calling to understand the brutal massacre of Jews and if not they should just close up shop.
Agree with you 100% as i said earlier i am not looking for useless orgs to make a statement .
Just trying to call a spade a spade.
If you champion a cause for only members on your side of the aisle, you are not a human rights organization.
You are a political organization using human rights as a podium

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Re: ADL
« Reply #165 on: October 11, 2023, 09:41:52 PM »
What does it sound like to you?
Who is writing the scripts?!

Hamas - the people that did this...

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Re: ADL
« Reply #166 on: October 11, 2023, 09:43:40 PM »
I will add this however.
JG's ability to call out MSNBC the way he did was built on political capital he has garnered for the ADL.
If all he ever did was denounce Anti-Semitism, he probably wouldn't be on that show.
So i can see a benefit to politics alongside your cause.
But once you put politics ahead of your cause, you're just another politician, not an activist

 

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Re: ADL
« Reply #167 on: October 11, 2023, 09:44:18 PM »
If you champion a cause for only members on your side of the aisle, you are not a human rights organization.
You are a political organization using human rights as a podium
This is why you need them to speak out from both sides. 1/2 + 1/2 equals full story.
So I will ask again. Why isn't there groups from the other side calling out antisemitism, racism, gay bashing and the like.
We have plenty groups from one side promoting antisemitism, racism, gay bashing and the like.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #168 on: October 11, 2023, 09:48:00 PM »
This is why you need them to speak out from both sides. 1/2 + 1/2 equals full story.
So I will ask again. Why isn't there groups from the other side calling out antisemitism, racism, gay bashing and the like.
We have plenty groups from one side promoting antisemitism, racism, gay bashing and the like.

I can't speak for every item but there definitely are for anti-semitism and I am pretty sure about racism too.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: ADL
« Reply #169 on: October 11, 2023, 09:50:36 PM »
This is why you need them to speak out from both sides. 1/2 + 1/2 equals full story.

No. half plus half equals zero. If you care about bigotry it is not only when perpetrated by one side.
@Yehuda57 once wrote this up much more eloquently
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Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: ADL
« Reply #170 on: October 11, 2023, 10:01:04 PM »
No. half plus half equals zero. If you care about bigotry it is not only when perpetrated by one side.
@Yehuda57 once wrote this up much more eloquently
My point is if we hear half from one side and half from the other side then we will always hear about it when it happens.
The problem is we don't even get half from one side.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #171 on: October 11, 2023, 10:20:13 PM »
This is why you need them to speak out from both sides. 1/2 + 1/2 equals full story.
So I will ask again. Why isn't there groups from the other side calling out antisemitism, racism, gay bashing and the like.
We have plenty groups from one side promoting antisemitism, racism, gay bashing and the like.
Take 1.

Let's play your game.
There are no such orgs on the right because they are vile racist bigots.
Now answer the simple question.
Is an org that purports to champion human rights but then only does so when it fits their narrative and political aspirations.
Are they human rights activists or opportunistic politicians?
All i'm looking for is intellectual honesty.

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Re: ADL
« Reply #172 on: October 11, 2023, 10:24:14 PM »
My point is if we hear half from one side and half from the other side then we will always hear about it when it happens.
The problem is we don't even get half from one side.

That is simply because the left doesn't want to allow any of it from the right.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: ADL
« Reply #173 on: October 11, 2023, 10:26:21 PM »
This is why you need them to speak out from both sides. 1/2 + 1/2 equals full story.
So I will ask again. Why isn't there groups from the other side calling out antisemitism, racism, gay bashing and the like.
We have plenty groups from one side promoting antisemitism, racism, gay bashing and the like.
Take 2.

The right doesn't need groups to tell them how to think, individuals can think for themselves and call out bad behavior.
The left on the other hand has this
https://twitter.com/DanielCohenTV/status/1711927272700088745

I would've even settled for an "All lives matter" response from her

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Re: ADL
« Reply #174 on: October 11, 2023, 10:33:09 PM »
Take 1.

Let's play your game.
There are no such orgs on the right because they are vile racist bigots.
Now answer the simple question.
Is an org that purports to champion human rights but then only does so when it fits their narrative and political aspirations.
Are they human rights activists or opportunistic politicians?
All i'm looking for is intellectual honesty.
You give me a loaded question, answer my question with a snide remark and then want an honest discussion?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #175 on: October 11, 2023, 11:01:31 PM »
You give me a loaded question, answer my question with a snide remark and then want an honest discussion?
Sorry for the snide remark, it is you who has taught us not to accept  "what-about-isms" and "but-officers"
So my apologies,feel free to insert any reason for the right not having such groups, or for a moment pretend they do.
Then just answer the simple question.
It isn't controversial, there is nothing wrong with either option.

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Re: ADL
« Reply #176 on: October 11, 2023, 11:11:36 PM »
Sorry for the snide remark, it is you who has taught us not to accept  "what-about-isms" and "but-officers"
So my apologies,feel free to insert any reason for the right not having such groups, or for a moment pretend they do.
Then just answer the simple question.
It isn't controversial, there is nothing wrong with either option.
See, you claim they do it for political aspirations. That is a loaded question.
Most of them do it because they believe in the causes. You need to look at the options if speaking out will help your causes overall or hurt them.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #177 on: October 11, 2023, 11:31:19 PM »
Heck , can we at least get a shoutout from PETA on behalf of the animals harmed in the attacks?
They harmed Hamas too?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #178 on: October 11, 2023, 11:37:53 PM »
See, you claim they do it for political aspirations. That is a loaded question.
Most of them do it because they believe in the causes. You need to look at the options if speaking out will help your causes overall or hurt them.
I don’t think technically either the left or right has such organizations, organizations that do this are ostensibly apolitical but end up veering sharply to the left because the left side of our manufactured two party system coincides with lots of braying about human rights (sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly).
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Re: ADL
« Reply #179 on: October 11, 2023, 11:39:40 PM »
See, you claim they do it for political aspirations. That is a loaded question.
Most of them do it because they believe in the causes. You need to look at the options if speaking out will help your causes overall or hurt them.
I can agree with that statement inasmuch with regard to those who pick and choose when to speak up.
As i mentioned earlier, the ADL's left leaning track record is what put JG in a position to call out MSNBC while on their own show.
He acquired social/political capital and used it to champion his stated cause. Kudos to him

But once you get into the people who use the capital and brand name they acquired while championing the cause, to whitewash violations of said cause when the perpetrators don't meet their political bias or narrative, that excuse doesn't hold anymore.
Having said that, I return to my original statement.
I understand the need for politics in these orgs.
But any real humanitarian org needs to be cause first politics second, because once it is politics first the cause goes out the window.

Has the red cross demanded access to hostages yet to ensure their safety?
I know they did when israel held terrorists in their prisons. With conditions likely better then they would have in gaza

UPDATE: It seems like they released some statements today
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