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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2023, 10:30:35 PM »
“To be clear, I’m super against anti-Semitism” isn’t usually followed by a list of awesome pro-Jewish ideas.

Elon is causing great damage to Jews right now. Let’s hope this blows over fast. I was a defender of his for a while now but it really does seem like everyone who makes a sharp turn to the right ends up publicly villifying Jews..
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Re: ADL
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2023, 07:37:10 PM »
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Re: ADL
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2023, 09:35:14 PM »
“Antisemitic content is getting more popular on Twitter/X since Musk took over.” I wonder if those repeating this claim believe it will somehow become the truth if repeated enough times.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2023, 09:40:02 PM »
“Antisemitic content is getting more popular on Twitter/X since Musk took over.” I wonder if those repeating this claim believe it will somehow become the truth if repeated enough times.
Is there any reliable data to look at?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2023, 09:45:08 PM »
Is there any reliable data to look at?
I'm sure the ADL has reliable data, otherwise they wouldn't go that length to pull advertisers
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Re: ADL
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2023, 09:51:15 PM »
I'm sure the ADL has reliable data, otherwise they wouldn't go that length to pull advertisers
I am guessing @yuneeq has some data he is looking at.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2023, 09:58:29 PM »
On another note, Musk has repeatedly said "Freedom of speech ≠ Freedom of reach", the data analysis has to take the algorithm into consideration and measure the increased reach of anti-Semitic / hateful content ant merely the presence of such content.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2023, 10:04:16 PM »
I'm sure the ADL has reliable data, otherwise they wouldn't go that length to pull advertisers

If ADL has the data, they need to release it or back down. X isn’t obligated to react to every baseless claim.

I am guessing @yuneeq has some data he is looking at.



I’m inclined to believe this as I’ve only heard baseless rhetoric from the other side. If the data is there, that’s the only argument that matters.

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Re: ADL
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2023, 10:10:32 PM »
I’m inclined to believe this as I’ve only heard baseless rhetoric from the other side. If the data is there, that’s the only argument that matters.
Every can believe what they want but real data would be nice.
Logic would dictate with less censorship that hate speech will go up, no?
Would someone saying the "H" was not real be censored?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2023, 10:11:57 PM »
On another note, Musk has repeatedly said "Freedom of speech ≠ Freedom of reach", the data analysis has to take the algorithm into consideration and measure the increased reach of anti-Semitic / hateful content ant merely the presence of such content.

Exactly. Total impressions and more importantly, hateful impression % are the metrics that matter. 10 hateful tweets each with 100k impressions  is worse than 1000 tweets with 10 impressions.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2023, 10:12:07 PM »
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Re: ADL
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2023, 10:15:02 PM »
Interesting lawsuit. What happens if X doesn't win?
https://techxplore.com/news/2023-08-sues-speech-tracker-twitter.html
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Re: ADL
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2023, 10:20:21 PM »
Every can believe what they want but real data would be nice.
Logic would dictate with less censorship that hate speech will go up, no?
Would someone saying the "H" was not real be censored?

Twitter hired an independent company - Sprinklr - to do an analysis of hateful content after Musk took over. “Sprinklr research claims that from 1 January to 31 May 2023, the average daily number of English-language hate speech is 0.003 per cent compared with Twitter’s own, higher, estimate of 0.012 per cent.

“Additionally, we estimate hate speech impressions are 30 per cent lower on average vs. pre-acquisition,” Sprinklr stated.”

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/07/20/twitter-hate-speech-drops-experts-disagree/

Take note of which side is looking at data.

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Re: ADL
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2023, 10:23:03 PM »
[tweet]1698507008729587753[/tweet]
who is this?

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Re: ADL
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2023, 10:26:28 PM »
Whichever side is right, we lose. I don't understand why anyone here is backing either of them.

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« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2023, 10:26:41 PM »
who is this?
R Shea Hecht from NCFJE.

I don't know from when the video was taken.

He and Rabbi Paltiel (from my understanding) were part of the group helped end the ch riots. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shea_Hecht
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Re: ADL
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2023, 10:39:30 PM »
Take note of which side is looking at data.
I am taking note of which side you believe.  ;)

It seems X provided their partner Sprinklr with 300 slurs that the model was based on. That doesn't sound independent to me.

What about these two questions:
Logic would dictate with less censorship that hate speech will go up, no?
Would someone saying the "H" was not real be censored or a violation of their new policy?


Sprinklr’s AI-based Toxicity Model - X, formerly Twitter Case Study
We understand that the goal of our partners at X, formerly Twitter is to understand, measure and reduce toxicity on the platform and to promote brand safety for advertisers. This made X, formerly Twitter a great early customer and partner for this capability.

X, formerly Twitter provided Sprinklr with a list of 300 english-language slur words. The list of terms was designed to capture hateful slurs and language that targets marginalized and minority voices. Sprinklr analyzed every english-language public tweet between January and February 2023 and identified 550,000 tweets that included at least one word from the list provided.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2023, 12:26:45 AM »
https://twitter.com/Lucas_Gage_/status/1698507008729587753

I don't know when this video is from, pre or post riots, but a little context as to how the Crown Heights community was helped by the ADL and other Jewish organizations during the riots

https://twitter.com/Mottel/status/1427333067694346244