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Re: ADL
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2023, 12:43:41 AM »
I am taking note of which side you believe.  ;)

ďIf we have data, letís look at data. If all we have are opinions, letís go with mine.Ē

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It seems X provided their partner Sprinklr with 300 slurs that the model was based on. That doesn't sound independent to me.

What about these two questions:
Logic would dictate with less censorship that hate speech will go up, no?
Would someone saying the "H" was not real be censored or a violation of their new policy?


Sprinklrís AI-based Toxicity Model - X, formerly Twitter Case Study
We understand that the goal of our partners at X, formerly Twitter is to understand, measure and reduce toxicity on the platform and to promote brand safety for advertisers. This made X, formerly Twitter a great early customer and partner for this capability.

X, formerly Twitter provided Sprinklr with a list of 300 english-language slur words. The list of terms was designed to capture hateful slurs and language that targets marginalized and minority voices. Sprinklr analyzed every english-language public tweet between January and February 2023 and identified 550,000 tweets that included at least one word from the list provided.

In regards to your 2 questions -
1. No. Less censorship/more free speech does not mean more hateful impressions on X. Their algorithm is designed to automatically limit the reach of content it deems hateful. If thereís data proving that hateful impressions are up, it should be brought to light. As of now that doesnít seem to be the case.
2. I donít know their policy on a case by case basis, but from my understanding - if the post is illegal, the policy is to remove it, if itís legal but hateful, it will be suppressed to the public unless it is specifically sought out.

In regards to the independent study - X/Twitter always had a list of slurs it uses in order for it to suppress/delete hateful or illegal tweets. Obviously it makes sense for them to track how they are performing over time. If someone has their own list of hate speech terms or develops AI to detect hate speech they are welcome to do the same analysis and claim that X is showing more hateful impressions than before.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2023, 04:47:11 AM »
ďIf we have data, letís look at data. If all we have are opinions, letís go with mine.Ē
Isn't X's suit to prevent others from getting the data?
https://variety.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/X-Corp-v.-CCDH.pdf

1. No.
We will just disagree.
2. I donít know their policy on a case by case basis, but from my understanding - if the post is illegal, the policy is to remove it, if itís legal but hateful, it will be suppressed to the public unless it is specifically sought out.
Hopefully everyone can agree it is not illegal. So, hate speech in X's mind is now suppressed but not removed. That in itself shows more hate speech but just harder to find.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2023, 08:29:23 AM »
Isn't X's suit to prevent others from getting the data?
https://variety.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/X-Corp-v.-CCDH.pdf
We will just disagree.Hopefully everyone can agree it is not illegal. So, hate speech in X's mind is now suppressed but not removed. That in itself shows more hate speech but just harder to find.
Is the quantity of hate speech on a platform determined by how many messages of hate there are or how many views those messages get?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2023, 08:48:33 AM »
Is the quantity of hate speech on a platform determined by how many messages of hate there are or how many views those messages get?
It really depends in the results and the narrative
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Re: ADL
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2023, 09:36:40 AM »
It really depends in the results and the narrative

This part of the conversation should be moved to the twitter/x thread.

What I have noticed, is that certain accounts with certain keywords just dont get views based on x's algorithm.

For example, there was a user who posted the same message as another user, one had the name "Nazis Suck" and the others was "David". David got 150+ views on his post and the other guy got only 14.

There seems to be a algorithm that detects hate speech and suppresses its views.

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Re: ADL
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2023, 09:47:07 AM »
This part of the conversation should be moved to the twitter/x thread.

What I have noticed, is that certain accounts with certain keywords just dont get views based on x's algorithm.

For example, there was a user who posted the same message as another user, one had the name "Nazis Suck" and the others was "David". David got 150+ views on his post and the other guy got only 14.

There seems to be a algorithm that detects hate speech and suppresses its views.
There's a million other differences between the two accounts
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Re: ADL
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2023, 10:23:33 AM »
It really depends in the results and the narrative
Bingo!!! You just need to look which forum this thread is in to guess the side most will take.

What I find surprising (maybe not) is where most come down on ADL.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2023, 10:40:07 AM »

What I find surprising (maybe not) is where most come down on ADL.

Because you weren't aware of what the ADL is/has become. Visible Jews are the biggest target of antisemitism, and we are attacked daily in the biggest cities in America. If the ADL even acknowledges this kind of antisemitism calls for a celebration like a Cleveland championship. I mean to say, it has happened. They are like any other *progressive* organization, they are not about fighting antisemitism or bigotry in general unless it aligns with their progressive values.

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Re: ADL
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2023, 10:50:08 AM »
Because you weren't aware of what the ADL is/has become. Visible Jews are the biggest target of antisemitism, and we are attacked daily in the biggest cities in America. If the ADL even acknowledges this kind of antisemitism calls for a celebration like a Cleveland championship. I mean to say, it has happened. They are like any other *progressive* organization, they are not about fighting antisemitism or bigotry in general unless it aligns with their progressive values.
So you believe ADL does not fight antisemitism? Do you think this view is held by most Jews?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2023, 10:55:56 AM »
So you believe ADL does not fight antisemitism? Do you think this view is held by most visible Orthodox Jews?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2023, 10:57:58 AM »
So you believe ADL does not fight antisemitism?

First, they do, when it meets their progressive agenda, and other times when they simply cannot afford to not speak up without looking like complete frauds. There has been excellent reporting done on this, you don't have to take our word for it.
Second, what does it mean to "fight" antisemitism? They are a multi-million dollar political group. I'm skeptical if any such organization has any real effect on any issue, let alone antisemitism.

Do you think this view is held by most Jews?

"Most" Jews probably haven't given the ADL a second thought. Only the donor class and the politically inclined. Among Jews who face antisemitism regularly, which is predominantly visible Jews, they do not think of the ADL if they were to think of who they should call if something were to happen.

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Re: ADL
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2023, 11:00:25 AM »
Ftfy
You fixed that for your own agenda, no?
I want to know what most Jews think of the ADL not a minority view.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2023, 11:01:20 AM »
You fixed that for your own agenda, no?
I want to know what most Jews think of the ADL not a minority view.
Ftfm
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Re: ADL
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2023, 11:03:04 AM »
...they are not about fighting antisemitism or bigotry in general unless it aligns with their progressive values.
Can you give an example?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2023, 11:04:06 AM »
Make a poll
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If so, I hope that is a joke.  ;)
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Re: ADL
« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2023, 11:05:47 AM »
So you believe ADL does not fight antisemitism? Do you think this view is held by most Jews?
Unfortunately, many Jews hate Jews more than non-Jews...

The ADL has many of these self-hating Jews as their supporters...

Hence their Anti-Jewish, Anti-Torah, Anti-G-d outlook on many, many things...

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Re: ADL
« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2023, 11:09:32 AM »
...Anti-Torah, Anti-G-d outlook on many, many things...
Isn't this the real reason of being anti-ADL and not their stance on antisemitism?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2023, 11:11:19 AM »
On DDF?
If so, I hope that is a joke.  ;)
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Re: ADL
« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2023, 11:14:48 AM »
It all depends on the results you'd like to see
The results would be pretty clear from the posts already, no?
Look I have no dog in this fight.
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