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Re: ADL
« Reply #140 on: October 11, 2023, 04:49:51 PM »
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Re: ADL
« Reply #141 on: October 11, 2023, 04:55:46 PM »
How?
If they lose support for any of their cause it will lessen their impact for all causes including the fight against antisemitism.

It is no different than asking a politician to condemn someone in his/her own party. They say silent and deflect even though they know the right thing to do.   
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Re: ADL
« Reply #142 on: October 11, 2023, 05:04:56 PM »
If they lose support for any of their cause it will lessen their impact for all causes including the fight against antisemitism.

It is no different than asking a politician to condemn someone in his/her own party. They say silent and deflect even though they know the right thing to do.
Same with splc, waiting for them also to condemn hamas and all of hamas supporters in the USA as hate groups

The splc very easily labels conservatives as hate groups

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Re: ADL
« Reply #143 on: October 11, 2023, 05:09:37 PM »
There are hundreds of chapters and all doing their own thing.
Which ones are backing israel?

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Re: ADL
« Reply #144 on: October 11, 2023, 05:13:40 PM »
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Re: ADL
« Reply #145 on: October 11, 2023, 05:16:07 PM »
Which ones are backing israel?
Who said they are backing Israel? They believe Israel is guilty of apartheid. That is totally a separate issue that should not be brought up now.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #146 on: October 11, 2023, 05:16:44 PM »
Who is that?
Opps that is a L and not an I.  :-[
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Re: ADL
« Reply #147 on: October 11, 2023, 05:28:40 PM »
Who said they are backing Israel? They believe Israel is guilty of apartheid. That is totally a separate issue that should not be brought up now.
Did they put out statements condemning the murder, rape, beheading of civilians and babies or not?

It's got to be hard for you, most left wing groups and a few elected democrats are pro hamas and won't condemn the rape, beheading, burning alive and beheadings of civilians and babies.


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Re: ADL
« Reply #148 on: October 11, 2023, 05:32:46 PM »
Did they put out statements condemning the murder, rape, beheading of civilians and babies or not?
Not that I am aware of.

I keep hearing about these left-wing groups not doing this or that.
What right-wing groups out there that track things like racism and condemn it, or antisemitism, or hate toward gays and the list goes on and on. Can you name a few?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #149 on: October 11, 2023, 06:50:13 PM »


Not that I am aware of.

I keep hearing about these left-wing groups not doing this or that.
What right-wing groups out there that track things like racism and condemn it, or antisemitism, or hate toward gays and the list goes on and on. Can you name a few?

Please let me know which people were chopped up, burned alive, raped that the conservatives didn't condemn. It's not only that they aren't condemning hamas but excusing it.
These leftists groups are showing the world who they really are and people are finally starting to wake up

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Re: ADL
« Reply #150 on: October 11, 2023, 06:56:09 PM »
For some reason almost all the pro hamas anti israel is coming from leftist groups, is the adl calling them out? Or the adl can't bc it will make them look bad after the past few years the adl was backing these groups?
Took a few days but the adl finally called blm out

https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1712206090887131556?t=ogwLoOaDB905YUNRESHDWA&s=19

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Re: ADL
« Reply #151 on: October 11, 2023, 07:10:40 PM »

Please let me know which people were chopped up, burned alive, raped that the conservatives didn't condemn. It's not only that they aren't condemning hamas but excusing it.
These leftists groups are showing the world who they really are and people are finally starting to wake up
Nice way to avoid the question. Please name a few right-wing groups that call out racism, antisemitism, gay bashing and the like? We talk about BLM, ADL, SPLC and the like so drop some names so we can check them out.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #152 on: October 11, 2023, 07:12:04 PM »
Took a few days but the adl finally called blm out
Such a powerful message and you try and downplay it.  ::)
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Re: ADL
« Reply #153 on: October 11, 2023, 07:56:50 PM »
Not that I am aware of.

I keep hearing about these left-wing groups not doing this or that.
What right-wing groups out there that track things like racism and condemn it, or antisemitism, or hate toward gays and the list goes on and on. Can you name a few?
You are completely missing the point.
These groups should not exist on the right or the left.
They should operate apolitically (other then lobbying for their cause) and stand up for people regardless of their political affiliation.
They often claim that is the case but this week proves otherwise.

How can you claim to champion a particular cause and then be silent when you are needed most?
For the ADL, kudos for them for stepping it up this week.

No ones asking every single person or org to speak up. But if you purport to defend human rights, civil rights, women's rights you cannot be silent now, when every one of those were violated in the most extreme ways.
If yes you are showing your true colors.
Heck , can we at least get a shoutout from PETA on behalf of the animals harmed in the attacks? Would be cringe but at least they would be consistent


P.S. at least in our circles, most conservative organizations are faith based and focus on charity and helping others. Much more effective at making the word a better place then just condemning people you don't like.


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Re: ADL
« Reply #154 on: October 11, 2023, 08:02:13 PM »
You are completely missing the point.
You sure I missed the point?  :)
Are there no right-wing groups that focus on stopping antisemitism, racism, gay bashing and the like?
If not maybe ask yourself why?
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Re: ADL
« Reply #155 on: October 11, 2023, 08:07:43 PM »
You sure I missed the point?  :)
Are there no right-wing groups that focus on stopping antisemitism, racism, gay bashing and the like?
If not maybe ask yourself why?
Yes, you missed the point.
You want to get into a separate discussion about why the right doesn't have these groups and whether that is good or bad, we can start another thread.
(you can start by reading my PS)
But for the groups that do exist, how can you claim to honestly stand for a cause and be silent at a time like this.

You can try pointing me to the right again but we both know how you feel about "but officer" arguments


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Re: ADL
« Reply #156 on: October 11, 2023, 08:12:58 PM »
Yes, you missed the point.
You want to get into a separate discussion about why the right doesn't have these groups and whether that is good or bad, we can start another thread.
(you can start by reading my PS)
But for the groups that do exist, how can you claim to honestly stand for a cause and be silent at a time like this.

You can try pointing me to the right again but we both know how you feel about "but officer" arguments
It is better to speak out some of the time then not speaking out any of the time. Does that answer it?

So in closing if we have groups from both ends of the spectrum we one have at least one group speaking out all the time.
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Re: ADL
« Reply #157 on: October 11, 2023, 08:38:00 PM »
It is better to speak out some of the time then not speaking out any of the time. Does that answer it?

So in closing if we have groups from both ends of the spectrum we one have at least one group speaking out all the time.
I would concede to the"sometimes" argument if
1. The sometimes were at least arguably random. Like if you never comment on mid-east matters. But if just last week you decried the judicial reform as harmful to women, I would expect at least a similar reaction now.
2. If this was a small scale attack, okay. But to ignore the most barbaric attack against civilians in recent history?
3. If you remain silent as the casualties inevitably add up on the Palestinian side as well, you get a pass, and I'd even commend your foresight. But that is wishful thinking
All these orgs will quickly condemn Israel the moment the tides turn.
Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if someone like planned parenthood came out and praised Hamas for their 4 trimester abortions

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Re: ADL
« Reply #158 on: October 11, 2023, 09:10:56 PM »


Not that I am aware of.

I keep hearing about these left-wing groups not doing this or that.
What right-wing groups out there that track things like racism and condemn it, or antisemitism, or hate toward gays and the list goes on and on. Can you name a few?

Is hate towards gay for being pedophiles allowed or not?
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1712254602098180142?t=w3UIuKo7PDt0DMp2P6gBXw&s=19

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Re: ADL
« Reply #159 on: October 11, 2023, 09:14:38 PM »
I would concede to the"sometimes" argument if
1. The sometimes were at least arguably random. Like if you never comment on mid-east matters. But if just last week you decried the judicial reform as harmful to women, I would expect at least a similar reaction now.
2. If this was a small scale attack, okay. But to ignore the most barbaric attack against civilians in recent history?
3. If you remain silent as the casualties inevitably add up on the Palestinian side as well, you get a pass, and I'd even commend your foresight. But that is wishful thinking
All these orgs will quickly condemn Israel the moment the tides turn.
Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if someone like planned parenthood came out and praised Hamas for their 4 trimester abortions

You can talk till you are blue in the face.

I don't expect or need every irrelevant organization to put out a statement. They will be too scared of the crazies to put out the full statement anyhow. I am fine if they just keep quiet. But an organization to speak out about anti-semitism needs to speak out against those calling to understand the brutal massacre of Jews and if not they should just close up shop.
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