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Airports:
  • CLE is about 15 minutes from downtown and 25-30 minutes from the Jewish community.  It's a focus city for Frontier, Spirit, and United.
  • The RTA (Rapid transit train) at Brookpark station has free parking and is just 1 train stop (3 minutes) to the stop inside the airport. The train costs $2.50 and the schedule is here: http://www.riderta.com/routes/redline/schedules/current#WestboundWeekday
    An uber from Brookpark station to CLE is about $10.
  • Uber between the Jewish community and CLE is about $30.
  • CLE off-site parking is about $9/day, on-site parking is $17-$22/day, and curbside valet parking is $35/day.
  • CAK is ~40 minutes from the Jewish community and located nearby the NFL Hall of Fame.
  • Uber between the Jewish community and CAK is about $45.
  • CAK parking is $7/day for long-term and $15-$18/day for short-term.
  • PIT is ~100 minutes from the Jewish community. It offers nonstop service to London, Montreal, and more.

Hotels:
  • There is a Hyatt Place in Legacy Village within walking distance of the Jewish community, though it's located just outside of the Eruv. It costs only 8K points/night.
  • There is a nice Hyatt Regency downtown for 12K points/night (25 minutes drive) in a unique vintage arcade building and an excellent spa that gives hotel guests 25% off and accepts SpaFinder certs from Costco that can be purchased for an additional 20% off.
  • The nicest hotel in Cleveland is like the Ritz-Carlton downtown. Marriott's Metropolitan at The 9 is also highly regarded, with a bar in an old vault. There is also a Hilton, Westin, and Kimpton downtown.

Transportation:
  • There is a subway/light rail connecting the airport with downtown, University Circle (where the Case campus and many museums are) and the Jewish community area, but renting a car is pretty much required unless you are just going between the airport and downtown.

Minyan times and locations:
  • https://www.localjewishnews.com/minyanim/
  • Walking distance in miles from Hyatt Place Legacy Village:
  • Cedar Sinai 0.5
  • JLC 1
  • Menorah Park: 1
  • Bais Dovid 1.1
  • JFX 1.1
  • Zemach Zedek East 1.3
  • Zichron Chaim 1.3
  • Heichal 1.3
  • Heights Jewish Center 1.4
  • Bais Avrohom 1.4
  • GRS 1.4
  • Young Israel 1.5
  • Chabad 1.5
  • Kollel 1.5
  • Aleksander 1.6
  • Beachwood Kehilla 1.6
  • ZAZ 1.7


CLE Metro Activities:
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Museums:
  • Great Lakes Science Center (Downtown)
  • Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (Downtown)
  • USS COD (Downtown)
  • International Women's Air & Space Museum (Downtown)
  • Baseball Heritage Museum (Midtown)
  • NFL Hall of Fame (Canton)
  • National Inventors Hall of Fame. (Akron)
  • Cleveland Museum of Art, one of the best in the nation and it's free (University Circle)
  • Children's Museum  (University Circle)
  • Museum of Natural History and Planetarium (University Circle)
  • Auto-Aviation museum has lots of vintage cars and more (University Circle)
  • Maltz Museum of Jewish Heritage (Beachwood)
  • Polka Hall of Fame (Downtown)

Amusement parks/Thrill rides/Game Rooms:
  • Cedar Point has been voted "Best Amusement Park in the World" for 16 consecutive years. It has the best and several of the top 10 coasters in the world. (Sandusky, open May-October)
  • Chalet Tobogganing (November-March) on the west side.
  • Fun-n-stuff (Arcades, later tag, mini golf, rock climbing, roller skating, mini go karts for the little ones, regular go karts, bumper boats, batting cages, etc.)
  • Whirlyball is a spin-off of Basketball and LaCrosse played on bumper cars and is incredibly fun.
  • Dave & Busters is on the west side near Crocker Park.
  • African Safari Wildlife Park Sandusky
  • Kalahari Indoor Waterpark and Soak City outdoor waterpark in Sandusky.
  • Memphis Kiddie Park (Amusement park for kids)
  • Jumpyard for kids
  • Playground World for kids
  • Swings & Things
  • Make Believe (Parma)
  • Adrenaline Monkey
  • Play Cle

Beaches/Water Activities:
  • North Coast Harbor Marina has Jet skis for 100/hr and 60/half hr. Paddle boats, kayaks, and paddle boards are $25/hour or $15/half hr (Downtown).
  • Edgewater beach park
  • Mentor Headlands beach park
  • Geneva on the lake.
  • Jet Pack Water Adventures in Sandusky

Sports:
  • The Guardians, Cavs, and Browns provide major league sports entertainment in downtown Cleveland along with the minor league hockey Lake Erie Monsters.  Browns games are great with some of the best/craziest fans in the NFL and the Guardians have a glatt kosher hot dog stand.
  • There are minor league Indians teams in Akron and in Eastlake on the east side of Cleveland.

Other activities:
  • Shaker Lakes, duck feeding, nature center and paths
  • Holden Arboretum
  • Cleveland Botanical Garden
  • Zoo and Rainforest (Free for CLE residents on Mondays)
  • Aquarium (Downtown)
  • JACK Casino, Smoke-free! (Downtown)
  • Cleveland Orchestra, one of the "Big Five" American orchestras (University Circle)
  • Playhouse Square, second largest theater complex in the United States with Broadway shows at a fraction of the cost on Broadway.
  • East 4th downtown pedestrian street district (bars/comedy shows/bowling/casino).
  • Lake Erie Islands/Put-in-Bay.
  • Chagrin Falls is a quaint village on the east side to walk around and you too can be chagrined by the falls. The village is the birthplace and setting of Calvin and Hobbes adventures: https://www.reddit.com/r/calvinandhobbes/comments/o2wszi/calvin_destroying_a_city_next_to_a_picture_of/
  • Outdoor Ice Skating. (University Circle)
  • Amish country.
  • Horseback Riding

Shopping:
  • Legacy Village is an outdoor mall in the Jewish community.
  • Pinecrest is a new outdoor mall and is a great place to walk around. Graeter's has Star-K parve sorbet and Star-D ice cream. Pinstripes has bocce and bowling and games are just $1 for the last hour of each day. Silverspot is an upscale movie theatre.
  • Beachwood Place is an indoor mall in the Jewish community.
  • Eton is a high-end strip-mall near the Jewish community.
  • Crocker Park is an excellent outdoor mall on the west-side of town. There is a Hyatt Place here as well.
  • West Side Market is a world-renown indoor food and produce market in Ohio City west of downtown (Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday)

Hiking/Nature:
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  • Cuyahoga Valley National Park and Train rides.
  • The "Emerald Necklace" is a chain of green Metroparks with great hiking that surrounds Cleveland.  October should be perfect to view the fall foliage.
  • Acacia reservation is in the jewish community.
  • Squire's Castle in the North Chagrin Reservation of the Cleveland Metroparks.
  • Squaw Rock in South Chagrin Reservation of the Cleveland Metroparks.

Nearby Cities:
  • Erie/Presque Isle Beach (1.5 hours)
  • Pittsburgh (2 hours)
  • Columbus (2 hours)
  • Detroit (2.5 hours)
  • Niagara Falls (3 hours)
  • Toronto (4.5 hours)
  • Chicago (6 hours)
  • Baltimore (6 hours)
  • NYC (7 hours)
  • Lakewood (8 hours)

Microbreweries:
  • Bottlehouse microbrewery
  • Great Lakes Brewpub and Brewery in Ohio City
  • Market Garden Brewery in Ohio City
  • Midnight Owl Brewing in Shaker Heights next to Mendel's BBQ
  • Crooked Pecker Brewing Company in Chagrin Falls
  • And many, many more.

Kosher Eateries:
http://www.clevelandkosher.org/establishments

Delivery is available on:
UberEats: Arova, Grand Coffee, Jade, Kantina, Mamilla, Mendel's
Doordash: Arova, Grand Coffee, Grove Pizza, Grove Sushi, Issi's, Jade, Le Chaim, Mamilla, Mendel's, Tibors
Grubhub : Arova, Grand Coffee, Kantina, Mamilla, Mendel's

Arova (South Euclid, 5/10 DD stars)
Good shnitzel, mediocre Shwarma and Falafel.

Jade (South Euclid):
Chinese and sushi under new ownership and chefs
https://www.jadechinesekitchen.com/

Kantina (Cleveland uptown/University Circle, 7/10 DD stars): Burger, Kantina Burger, Shnitzel, Shnitzel fried steak , Cookie Dough Shake, Buffalo chicken, Felafel, and Fries are all very inexpensive.
https://www.kantinakatering.com/new-page

Kinneret Pizza (Cleveland Heights 7/10 DD stars)
Very good plain pizza, order with extra sauce and well done. Avoid the toppings. 
Very good homemade onion rings and cauliflower. Good spicy fries and decent Eggplant Parmesan.  Delicious soft serve Ice Cream with 8 flavor choices.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kinneret-Kosher-Pizza-Restaurant/100882353290369

Grand Coffee (Cleveland Heights, Coffee and milkshakes 9/10 DD stars) sells excellent C"Y coffee, ice cream, and milkshakes, now located next to Grand Judaica.

Grove Market (South Euclid, pizza and sushi 8/10 DD stars)
Cleveland's first full scale kosher grocery and takeout complete with pizza, sushi, and much more.

Issi's Pizza (South Euclid, 6/10 DD stars)
The pizza is made in a conveyor belt oven. You'll either like it or hate it.  Try the felafel pizza with extra sauce and request it made well done.
http://issisplace.com/

Le Chaim (South Euclid, burgers, Israeli food, and Mexican food on some nights 7/10 DD stars)
Very good poppers, poppers hoagie, burgers, kebabs, and Israeli food.
Excellent Mexican food on select Tuesdays.

Mamilla (Downtown)
Newly opened in the Arcade/food court of the Hyatt Regency. Vegetarian menu of felafel, sabich, and soups.
Open weekdays from 10am-3pm.

Mendel's KC BBQ (Shaker Heights, 9/10 DD stars)
A game changer for Cleveland. Excellent BBQ that happens to be kosher.
Don't miss the burnt ends, back ribs, dino ribs, steak, KC burger, fries bowls, pastrami sandwich, smoked fried chicken sandwich, smash burger, or Pecan Pie!

Mendel's Deli and Dogs (Downtown, 9/10 DD stars)
Excellent food options at the Guardians baseball games, located behind section 156.

Milky Way/Bagel Shoppe (South Euclid 5/10 DD stars)
Pizza store, merged with Bagel Shoppe.
https://milkywaycle.com/

Ungers Bakery & Kosher Market (Cleveland Heights, donuts are 10/10 DD stars-the best parve kosher donuts in the world)
My favorites are the custard and cinnamon donuts. Others love the Miami and glazed donuts. Apple fritters are incredible.
Full kosher grocery store.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ungers-Kosher-Bakery-Food-Shop/115920261762129

Chocolate Emporium (South Euclid) has chocolates made on-site as well as other gifts.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/ChocolateEmporiumCLE/about

Tibor's (Beachwood) has a deli with lots of prepared food and good spicy homemade salami and beef jerky.  They also carry bakery goods from Ungers. Shabbos takeout is available here as is a small grocery section.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tibors-Kosher-Meats/126208197434026

Boris' (University Heights) is another butcher/deli with small kosher grocery that also carries Pride of the Farm Ice Cream.
http://www.boriskosher.com/

Dave's (Cleveland Heights) is a grocery with a kosher section and C"Y milk.

Heinen's (University Heights) has a great kosher grocery section with packaged prepared meals. P"Y bagels also available in the bakery section.

Costco (Mayfield Heights) has a large kosher section.

Mitchell's Ice Cream (Beachwood and Ohio City, Considered some of the finest ice cream in the world. Cholov Stam under Quality Kosher, which is not a universally accepted hashgocha, so AYLOR).

Graeter's Ice Cream (Pinecrest, Parve and Cholov Stam. Ice creams are under the Star-K, but the actual store is not.).

Speedway (University Heights) Kosher certified slurpees.

Caterers include:
Davis
PKC

Cholov Stam certified establishments include:
Goldie’s Donuts and Bakery
Krispy Kreme Doughnuts
Nothing Bundt Cakes
NuBeigel
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« Reply #4580 on: May 31, 2024, 03:03:17 PM »
Do they have like a menu or something for their bakery?
LOL, doesn't exist. This place is still frozen in the 1950s.
What specifically do you want to know?
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Re: Cleveland Master Thread
« Reply #4582 on: June 26, 2024, 09:57:28 AM »
Hi all,

My wife, seven children (newborn to 12 years) bl"h and I are seriously considering moving to Cleveland at the end of this summer (from Israel). I've been looking online at properties for sale in Beachwood, UH and CH and there are several that could be a fit. Can anyone here direct me to specific blocks that I should be looking at for a potential home? Which city would be recommended to someone new moving in from EY? Can anyone recommend a realtor or agent that is familiar with a frum family's needs? Is there anyone who lives in one of these cities who would be willing to speak to me about these and other questions?

My parents and siblings live in CA, but we can't realistically afford to live there. Cleveland seems like a wonderful community to raise our kids and is still relatively affordable. I would love to be in touch with community members who can help me out.

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Re: Cleveland Master Thread
« Reply #4583 on: June 26, 2024, 10:13:50 AM »
Hi all,

My wife, seven children (newborn to 12 years) bl"h and I are seriously considering moving to Cleveland at the end of this summer (from Israel). I've been looking online at properties for sale in Beachwood, UH and CH and there are several that could be a fit. Can anyone here direct me to specific blocks that I should be looking at for a potential home? Which city would be recommended to someone new moving in from EY? Can anyone recommend a realtor or agent that is familiar with a frum family's needs? Is there anyone who lives in one of these cities who would be willing to speak to me about these and other questions?

My parents and siblings live in CA, but we can't realistically afford to live there. Cleveland seems like a wonderful community to raise our kids and is still relatively affordable. I would love to be in touch with community members who can help me out.
I can't help you with any info but i can tell you that i have a few friends and my brother as well, moved from EY to Cleveland and they are super satisfied with the friendly people, the out of town atmosphere, the shuls and schools, the vouchers, and the weather.

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Re: Cleveland Master Thread
« Reply #4584 on: June 26, 2024, 10:32:10 AM »
Hi all,

My wife, seven children (newborn to 12 years) bl"h and I are seriously considering moving to Cleveland at the end of this summer (from Israel). I've been looking online at properties for sale in Beachwood, UH and CH and there are several that could be a fit. Can anyone here direct me to specific blocks that I should be looking at for a potential home? Which city would be recommended to someone new moving in from EY? Can anyone recommend a realtor or agent that is familiar with a frum family's needs? Is there anyone who lives in one of these cities who would be willing to speak to me about these and other questions?

My parents and siblings live in CA, but we can't realistically afford to live there. Cleveland seems like a wonderful community to raise our kids and is still relatively affordable. I would love to be in touch with community members who can help me out.
You need a realtor here more than anywhere else. The vast majority of home sales are done off market through realtors or word of mouth.

Personally I've only bought and sold through word of mouth, but people I know that moved here have used:
Tzipora Sonnenschein 216-406-9109
Coby Socher 216-258-9951
Gavi Septon 216-262-4700

The Beachwood/UH community is wonderful and diverse with dozens of shuls to choose from, but I can't speak for CH.

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« Reply #4585 on: June 26, 2024, 10:43:16 AM »
I can't speak for CH.
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Re: Cleveland Master Thread
« Reply #4586 on: June 30, 2024, 09:02:48 AM »
I can't help you with any info but i can tell you that i have a few friends and my brother as well, moved from EY to Cleveland and they are super satisfied with the friendly people, the out of town atmosphere, the shuls and schools, the vouchers, and the weather.
Thanks for the reply. Just out of curiosity, do you know which part of Cleveland they moved to? Did they buy a house or are they renting? It seems like your friends' and brother's sentiments are shared by many other people who have moved there.

You need a realtor here more than anywhere else. The vast majority of home sales are done off market through realtors or word of mouth.

Personally I've only bought and sold through word of mouth, but people I know that moved here have used:
Tzipora Sonnenschein 216-406-9109
Coby Socher 216-258-9951
Gavi Septon 216-262-4700

The Beachwood/UH community is wonderful and diverse with dozens of shuls to choose from, but I can't speak for CH.

Hatzlacha!
Thanks so much for that info, it should really come in handy! From what I have seen so far, the homes in CH seem to be cheaper, but also older. Do you know of any employment opportunities that I can look into or anyone in the frum community that assists newcomers with employment? I have a strong background in the wine industry -- is there a nice kosher wine store in the area or is there possibly a demand for such a business there?

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Re: Cleveland Master Thread
« Reply #4587 on: June 30, 2024, 09:31:33 AM »
Thanks for the reply. Just out of curiosity, do you know which part of Cleveland they moved to? Did they buy a house or are they renting? It seems like your friends' and brother's sentiments are shared by many other people who have moved there.
I believe they moved to the Heights. I don't know who you are but they are all Chareidi types, from American Chareidi to Israeli Chareidi.

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Re: Cleveland Master Thread
« Reply #4588 on: July 01, 2024, 07:50:44 AM »
Is there a local kosher wine store?

Grove, Ungers, Grand Judaica, Franks, Boris, and Tibors all sell wine. Try calling to see if they would deliver.
Is there potential in the Cleveland area to open a kosher wine bar serving light food in a good atmosphere and selling other specialty products? Is the community large enough to support such a business?

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« Reply #4589 on: July 01, 2024, 10:34:15 AM »
Is there potential in the Cleveland area to open a kosher wine bar serving light food in a good atmosphere and selling other specialty products? Is the community large enough to support such a business?
IMIO (In My Ignorant Opinion), the atmosphere there is out of town and really not the foodie type that you see all over NY and NJ.

Dan enjoys a good meal, (and he's always encouraging people to open up places with good food,) but he's an exception to the Cleveland rule...

Again, this is the feeling I got from when i speak to my contacts living there and they are all the oot type...

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« Reply #4590 on: July 01, 2024, 10:44:50 AM »
IMIO (In My Ignorant Opinion), the atmosphere there is out of town and really not the foodie type that you see all over NY and NJ.

Dan enjoys a good meal, (and he's always encouraging people to open up places with good food,) but he's an exception to the Cleveland rule...

Again, this is the feeling I got from when i speak to my contacts living there and they are all the oot type...
(This is anecdotal and skewed based on who you know). There are definitely plenty people who would appreciate something like that. I still am not sure that it would be enough to support a business.

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Re: Cleveland Master Thread
« Reply #4591 on: July 01, 2024, 10:48:14 AM »
Is there potential in the Cleveland area to open a kosher wine bar serving light food in a good atmosphere and selling other specialty products? Is the community large enough to support such a business?
I don't see it surviving unless the food is good enough it gets goyim to come in.
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« Reply #4592 on: July 01, 2024, 12:29:26 PM »
(This is anecdotal and skewed based on who you know).
As the saying goes, "It's not about what you know, it's about who you know".

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« Reply #4593 on: July 01, 2024, 10:30:30 PM »
IMIO (In My Ignorant Opinion), the atmosphere there is out of town and really not the foodie type that you see all over NY and NJ.

Dan enjoys a good meal, (and he's always encouraging people to open up places with good food,) but he's an exception to the Cleveland rule...

Again, this is the feeling I got from when i speak to my contacts living there and they are all the oot type...
Lol, same attitude that scared people away from opening a restaurant, and yet Mendels is full every night at the restaurant and ballpark and is opening a dairy restaurant now as well.
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« Reply #4594 on: July 01, 2024, 10:31:49 PM »
Is there potential in the Cleveland area to open a kosher wine bar serving light food in a good atmosphere and selling other specialty products? Is the community large enough to support such a business?
Yes, there is certainly potential for something like this.

Aside from Mendel's, no restaurants here offer a good atmosphere.
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Re: Cleveland Master Thread
« Reply #4595 on: July 01, 2024, 10:48:10 PM »
Yes, there is certainly potential for something like this.

Aside from Mendel's, no restaurants here offer a good atmosphere.

Mendel's relies on non Jews eating there and the ballpark.

What non-jew is paying high prices for worse wine?

ETA: does this exist anywhere in the US?
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« Reply #4596 on: July 01, 2024, 10:52:27 PM »
Mendel's relies on non Jews eating there and the ballpark.

What non-jew is paying high prices for worse wine?

ETA: does this exist anywhere in the US?
Mendel's does not rely on non-Jews to turn a profit, it's a small percentage.

I don't know, but I'd like to hear more about the concept.
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Re: Cleveland Master Thread
« Reply #4597 on: July 02, 2024, 02:16:18 AM »
Lol, same attitude that scared people away from opening a restaurant, and yet Mendels is full every night at the restaurant and ballpark and is opening a dairy restaurant now as well.
Why is there so many more Pizza places then restaurants? Because even non-restaurant people will go out for pizza for supper, when mommy has a baby, or for a special occasion. Same with a BBQ place, even if its a bit more money. People will go out for supper or Grandma will take the family out when she visits.

But a wine bar does not fit that description. It needs the right clientele. And maybe Manhattan is full of these places but in Cleveland its hard to see it working.

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Re: Cleveland Master Thread
« Reply #4598 on: July 02, 2024, 02:47:08 PM »
Born and bred Clevelander here who rarely comes back (as my parents moved away).
I came in this past weekend and was rather disappointed to not be able to go to Mendels as they are closed Friday, closed Motzei Shabbos and closed Sunday until dinnertime.
I'm glad they are allegedly doing well but this seems to be typical Cleveland food establishment syndrome.
On the East Coast, such a place would be open more.

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Re: Cleveland Master Thread
« Reply #4599 on: July 02, 2024, 02:52:07 PM »
Why is there so many more Pizza places then restaurants? Because even non-restaurant people will go out for pizza for supper, when mommy has a baby, or for a special occasion. Same with a BBQ place, even if its a bit more money. People will go out for supper or Grandma will take the family out when she visits.

But a wine bar does not fit that description. It needs the right clientele. And maybe Manhattan is full of these places but in Cleveland its hard to see it working.
If it's just wine, perhaps.
If it has tapas and desserts that are good enough to draw a crowd and enjoy together with some wine and/or cocktails, I can certainly see that working.
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