Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[AsherO]

As expected, this will be resolved by legislation. There are proposals in the works right now.

I thought תיקון חקיקה was just a good pun. Can legislation help if the Israeli high court will just obstruct such a law from being passed/enforced?

[ExGingi]

I thought תיקון חקיקה was just a good pun. Can legislation help if the Israeli high court will just obstruct such a law from being passed/enforced?

They need to go through the motions. Israel isn't really a democracy. It's a Juristocracy. But they allow the subjects to play around as if it's a democracy, up until the final moment when the demi-gods retake the reins.

[yelped]

"Kishke" 

https://x.com/realrabbilinda/status/1805572862834573408

[yelped]

At this point, is it safe to assume that if you're hired by an NGO in Gaza you're a terrorist?

https://x.com/IDF/status/1805708917294420469

[ExGingi]

I mean there is always the solution not to bury the fallen family member in Har Herzl, it's not that it's the appropriate place to bury a chabad chosid in the first place anyway.

Some clarification. As well as insights regarding  גיוס חרדים.

[Dan]

Some clarification. As well as insights regarding  גיוס חרדים.

TL;DW?

[EliJelly]

Some clarification. As well as insights regarding  גיוס חרדים.

TL;DW?

Will be helpful for me too since YT is blocked.

[ExGingi]

Will be helpful for me too since YT is blocked.

She tells the story as it unfolded.

The decision for burial in ירושלים due to him being a קדוש so wanted burial in עיר הקודש. She was scared of הר הזיתים and they were promised a full Jewish burial in הר הרצל.

She differentiates between צה"ל who she said was compassionate and kind, to משרד הבטחון which took over the handling after the family was notified of the tragedy, to handle the burial.

She says how they came to her with a standard inscription, from which she insisted to remove place of birth and Gregorian dates and asked to add הי"ד after his name, and was told that it might not get approved. She then got a call a few days later from some bureaucrat that told her that they rejected her request to add הי"ט and she should sign off on the proposed inscription. She said he was extremely disrespectful and ignorant to the level that if he would have only read the news he would have realized that she's insisting on הי"ד and not הי"ט. He said that if she won't sign off then they'll put a blank stone. She said there's no way she's signing off on anything that doesn't include הי"ד right after his name. She had hoped to be surprised when the family went for the shloshim, but was shocked to see that it was indeed blank.

She tells of an anecdote that someone told her of, where the family insisted on putting two mother's names and a father on the stone, and the authorities obliged. She hopes they will eventually come to their senses and agree to put הי"ד after the name, but if the authorities won't allow it, the family will have no choice but to dig up the grave and re-bury elsewhere.

She says there's a list of thousands of families that will have their tombstones amended once the Yudkin family prevails.

She then describes how the IDF doesn't want or need חרדים, with personal information of families where sons enlisted, went through basic training, and have been sitting for weeks or months at home because the IDF has no use for them.

[yelped]

I honestly don't understand why he dresses like this everywhere. I appreciate his moral stand, but I think a more respectable attire is called for.

https://x.com/mdubowitz/status/1805621716829225145

[EliJelly]

She tells the story as it unfolded.

The decision for burial in ירושלים due to him being a קדוש so wanted burial in עיר הקודש. She was scared of הר הזיתים and they were promised a full Jewish burial in הר הרצל.

She differentiates between צה"ל who she said was compassionate and kind, to משרד הבטחון which took over the handling after the family was notified of the tragedy, to handle the burial.

She says how they came to her with a standard inscription, from which she insisted to remove place of birth and Gregorian dates and asked to add הי"ד after his name, and was told that it might not get approved. She then got a call a few days later from some beurocrat that told her that they rejected her request to add הי"ט and she should sign off on the proposed inscription. She said he was extremely disrespectful and ignorant to the level that if he would have only read the news he would have realized that she's insisting on הי"ד and not הי"ט. He said that if she won't sign off then they'll put a blank stone. She said there's no way she's signing off on anything that doesn't include הי"ד right after his name. She had hoped to be surprised when the family went for the shloshim, but was shocked to see that it was indeed blank.

She tells of an anecdote that someone told her of, where the family insisted on putting two mother's names and a father on the stone, and the authorities obliged. She hopes they will eventually come to their senses and agree to put הי"ד after the name, but if the authorities won't allow it, the family will have no choice but to dig up the grave and re-bury elsewhere.

She says there's a list of thousands of families that will have their tombstones amended once the Yudkin family prevails.

She then describes how the IDF doesn't want or need חרדים, with personal information of families where sons enlisted, went through basic training, and have been sitting for weeks or months at home because the IDF has no use for them.

Thanks.
Two things that went through my mind reading that. 1- They're scared of הר הזיתים, well most burials today are in הר המנוחות, way more ideal than הר הרצל, especially talking about Reb Yudkin's einikel. 2- Digging up a kever over missing wording in a tombstone sounds very excessive and likely not allowed l'halacha anyway. Just my thoughts, I'm sure you're not part of the decision making there anyway.

[ExGingi]

Thanks.
Two things that went through my mind reading that. 1- They're scared of הר הזיתים, well most burials today are in הר המנוחות, way more ideal than הר הרצל, especially talking about Reb Yudkin's einikel. 2- Digging up a kever over missing wording in a tombstone sounds very excessive and likely not allowed l'halacha anyway. Just my thoughts, I'm sure you're not part of the decision making there anyway.

I had similar thoughts. While she doesn't use the explicit words, she basically says we are not Zionists. It sounded to me like agreeing to הר הרצל came from naïveté, as they were promised a proper traditional Jewish burial.

She says she told the officials that he didn't fight for the מדינה but for ארץ־ישראל and Yidden.

[mevinyavin]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-slain-gazan-named-as-doctors-without-borders-staffer-was-islamic-jihad-rocket-maker/

[Dan]

https://x.com/DavidM_Friedman/status/1805292400409198623

[ExGingi]

I had similar thoughts. While she doesn't use the explicit words, she basically says we are not Zionists. It sounded to me like agreeing to הר הרצל came from naïveté, as they were promised a proper traditional Jewish burial.

She says she told the officials that he didn't fight for the מדינה but for ארץ־ישראל and Yidden.

It should also be noted that military burial might be the only publicly paid for burial that allows for קבורה בקרקע in a single plot.

[Dawie]

I'm speaking with EXTREMELY limited knowledge here, but it could be that's part of his "brand" - that he's not pretending to be fancy, he's ignoring conventional demands and dress codes and just focusing on what's important - and what you see is what you get.

It's totally his brand. Was his brand as LTG of PA, and Mayor of Braddock
They even changed the dress code in the House for him (this may have been reversed since)

[Dan]

https://x.com/israelipm/status/1805956244437373303

[yelped]

https://x.com/israelipm/status/1805956244437373303

I appreciate Senator Fetterman's emotional honesty here.

[ExGingi]

I'd argue the opposite. We have plenty of statesmen with moral clarity.

Your average American feels like they would want to have a beer with Fetterman, not Rubio or DeSantis. Don't overlook relatability.

Relatability is relative.

Maybe those that won't daven without a hat and jacket feel that someone who dresses more respectably is more relatable. With parallels in the general public.

Especially given his size, I think not dressing according to decorum projects an image of a bully of sorts that feels he's strong enough to overlook rules.

[Dan]

Relatability is relative.

Maybe those that won't daven without a hat and jacket feel that someone who dresses more respectably is more relatable. With parallels in the general public.

Especially given his size, I think not dressing according to decorum projects an image of a bully of sorts that feels he's strong enough to overlook rules.

I do it anyway, though I'm not at all convinced davening with an oddly buttoned jacket worn on 1 arm looks respectable.

But yes, the general public is who he's courting.

[ExGingi]

I do it anyway, though I'm not at all convinced davening with an oddly buttoned jacket worn on 1 arm looks respectable.

Mincha? Ma'ariv?