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Author Topic: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread  (Read 1299458 times)

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13880 on: October 28, 2024, 01:48:52 AM »
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13881 on: October 28, 2024, 07:18:19 AM »
What's the difference between רחמן and רחום?

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13882 on: October 28, 2024, 07:56:34 AM »
Does not pass the sniff test

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13883 on: October 28, 2024, 08:17:45 AM »
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"Why was Israel's strike limited to air defenses and Iranian missile factories? I'll tell you why.

Israel is running low on the Arrow interceptors after 100s of Iranian ballistic missile, and Houthi missile & drone attacks.

It has been a long war Israel's munition supplies are low and need time to be resupplied, this is not a secret. The Arrow is the top tier of Israeli missile defense, it goes after the huge SCUD/ICBM-type missiles Iran possesses.

Israel has never in its history requested US THAAD missile defense to supplement the Israeli arrow system before. On the contrary, Israel has been looking to phase out its limited use of the US Patriot system, since Israel has its own 3 layered missile defense consisting of the Arrow, David's Sling, and Iron Dome all fully deployed now. Such a request to fly dozens of massive US C17 transports and bring the THAAD to Israel means Israel is concerned about its capacity.
 
By the same token, the USA only has a few THAAD batteries. Rushing one or two of them to Israel (appx 25% of the USA's own stores) would not have happened if capacity issues were not real and urgent on the Israeli side. We are talking about billions of dollars worth of US equipment. It's ok to say this, Israel has fired off a lot of Arrows this past year.

Producing Arrow interceptors which leave the atmosphere is complex, it takes time, Israel is working 24/7 to make more but many many dozens have been fired during the war. Israel does not have a store of 100s and 100s of these missiles it just does not. Even the USA does not have 100s of THAAD interceptors. Each Arrow or THAAD interceptor costs millions of dollars. These are very large multi-stage interceptors.

Israel carried out the proper response & attack

Last night Israel carried out an effective attack under immense pressure from the USA, a groundbreaking attack to destroy Iranian air defenses, and an attack under the constraints of the Biden administration. Oil sites were off limits, nuclear sites were off limits, attacking the Iranian leadership was off limits. Period.

Getting the 100 or so THAAD interceptors was part of the bargain Israel needed to make to ensure its own sensitive sites are properly protected in case of another large Iranian ballistic missile attack.

If Israel went buck wild and ignored the endless limitations of the Biden administration and then Iranian missiles got through in large quantities and destroyed F35s, or hit Israel's own nuclear reactors, or blew up the IDF or Mossad HQ it would be a catastrophic defeat for Israel. No attack or oil site would make up for that.

Israel has been fighting for over a year, in GAZA, Lebanon, Syria, and now Iran, threading a constant needle on what it can do, what it should do, and when. Defying the Biden admin, leaving Israel without proper alliances and potential defenses was not an option."

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13884 on: October 28, 2024, 09:22:10 AM »
Does not pass the sniff test
Especially because he is not worried about what Biden says in public but rather what he does in private.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13886 on: October 29, 2024, 12:19:41 AM »


I see where you're coming from. Yes that makes sense :).
But I was thinking that rushing to get the THAAD systems so urgently was an indication that Israel will conduct a major strike, one which will surely prompt an immediate retaliation barrage from Iran, and that's why they rushed those in, I guess they needed those even for the smaller scale attack just in case and to be prepared for all outcomes.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13887 on: October 29, 2024, 12:22:41 AM »
I feel like Israel's biggest fear is, and should be, a possible future where Iran has exhausted all defensive missiles in Israel, and they can launch a nuclear missile, and Israel has no way to stop it.

I don't know how Israel is supposed to decide which missiles to stop from Iran at this point in the war.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13888 on: October 29, 2024, 02:02:04 AM »
I feel like Israel's biggest fear is, and should be, a possible future where Iran has exhausted all defensive missiles in Israel, and they can launch a nuclear missile, and Israel has no way to stop it.

I don't know how Israel is supposed to decide which missiles to stop from Iran at this point in the war.

Definitely a logical doomsday scenario based on what we uninformed laymen know.

But remember that defensive interceptors are not the only way to block an incoming missile. Israel and the US knew exactly when Iran was going to launch their barrage. When push comes to shove, Israel can fly an offensive mission first. Conventional or nuclear.

And the same logic applies to to a long term strategy. Exhaust the Iranian regime long before Israel runs out of tamirs.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13889 on: October 29, 2024, 06:24:58 AM »
I feel like Israel's biggest fear is, and should be, a possible future where Iran has exhausted all defensive missiles in Israel, and they can launch a nuclear missile, and Israel has no way to stop it.

I don't know how Israel is supposed to decide which missiles to stop from Iran at this point in the war.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13890 on: October 29, 2024, 07:43:05 AM »
Naim Qassem elected as GS of Hezbollah. because there were so many choices. Clock is ticking.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13891 on: October 29, 2024, 07:57:57 AM »
I feel like Israel's biggest fear is, and should be, a possible future where Iran has exhausted all defensive missiles in Israel, and they can launch a nuclear missile, and Israel has no way to stop it.

I don't know how Israel is supposed to decide which missiles to stop from Iran at this point in the war.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13892 on: October 29, 2024, 09:21:47 AM »
I feel like Israel's biggest fear is, and should be, a possible future where Iran has exhausted all defensive missiles in Israel, and they can launch a nuclear missile, and Israel has no way to stop it.

I don't know how Israel is supposed to decide which missiles to stop from Iran at this point in the war.
Something inside of me tells me Israel knows exactly what Iran's nuclear capabilities are, and they must have some backup plan in place (for example, sabotage, rerouting etc.). Otherwise, they wouldn't have sufficed with a once-a-year speech at the UN.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13893 on: October 29, 2024, 10:42:42 AM »
I feel like Israel's biggest fear is, and should be, a possible future where Iran has exhausted all defensive missiles in Israel, and they can launch a nuclear missile, and Israel has no way to stop it.

I don't know how Israel is supposed to decide which missiles to stop from Iran at this point in the war.

The point is for Israel to never allow Iran to get that far.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13894 on: October 29, 2024, 12:52:49 PM »
Naim Qassem elected as GS of Hezbollah. because there were so many choices. Clock is ticking.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13895 on: October 29, 2024, 01:01:24 PM »


Would that not be a threat of violence against a specific person that violates Twitter's rules?

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13896 on: October 29, 2024, 01:29:01 PM »
Would that not be a threat of violence against a specific person that violates Twitter's rules?

Probably ambiguous enough.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13897 on: October 30, 2024, 12:25:39 PM »
Time for Biden/Harris to ramp up the threats and pressures to Israel and Hezbollah/Hamas to get some more votes in the upcoming election...

To Hamas/Hezbollah: "If Trump gets elected you guys will be toast! Make a deal quick to avoid disappointment!"

To Israel: "If you don't make a treaty now then when we get in again you can expect us to stop vetoing any UN resolutions..."

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #13899 on: October 30, 2024, 05:11:34 PM »
Mustafa Ahmed Shahadi, deputy commander of Hezbollah’s Radwan Force, was eliminated.
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