Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[NTorch]

Was he killed because he was Jewish? Or because he was with soldiers that were invading a foreign country and wearing clothes to make it look like he's part of them? Does that get a HY"D or not?

I heard a shmooze from R' Shraga Kallus about Israelis whose children were killed in combat post 10/7. These people were upset that charedi boys are not going to the army and that their children were not serving in the army as well.

R' Kallus's take was that parents whose children died in battle are dying Al Kiddush Hashem and not simply because they are defending the land of Israel. He compared their death to the death of his grandparents who were killed in the Holocaust.

The upshot was while people complain that the charedi boys are not in harm's way, the death of their great-grandparents are no less Al Kiddush Hashem.

[SSLPhD]

Maybe Mods could implement an honor-rating system. If a troll's rating falls below a certain threshold, they should be banned or restricted from specific boards.

I don't find @Moshe Green 's posts troll-ish, even though I don't always agree with him.  Can he write with more sensitivity? Perhaps.  Most of the rest of us can, too.  What comes easy to some might be harder for others. That shouldn't mean he can't voice his thoughts and opinions.  Additionally, some of his posts bring up unique perspectives, which I enjoy learning from.

(And don't forget the "ignore" feature.)

[EliJelly]

Definition of trolling is "make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them". Anyone expressing their views, as outlandish or infuriating they might be to you, without the intent of provoking, isn't considered a troll. Now if you believe his posts are with that intent in mind, then by all means, label him a troll. If you're just infuriated how someone can possibly have such views, either refute them, rebuke them, or simply ignore them. Labeling a troll or calling to ban him is simply cancel culture.   

[Dan]

https://x.com/rach3lburn3tt/status/1859626076554530975

[Chuchum Ainer]

Was he killed because he was Jewish? Or because he was with soldiers that were invading a foreign country and wearing clothes to make it look like he's part of them? Does that get a HY"D or not?

Soldiers that were invading a foreign country?! You mean soldiers putting their lives at risk to protect their brethren at home from clear, imminent, and ongoing threats to their lives

I'd suggest reading Siman 329 again, but maybe you should start with a posuk most people learn in cheder

[yelped]

These are the "normal" pro Palestinian voices:

https://x.com/ElliotMalin/status/1859638760725676036

[AsherO]

"he was an expert in his field" - what's that supposed to mean. He was a researcher, not an active soldier.
Why was he in uniform with a gun? That just makes it more likely he'll be killed, not less.
"and was killed in a combat incident with another IDF soldier" - That also just makes it more likely he'll be killed, not less.

I wasn't saying that he's a Rasha or that we shouldn't feel sorry for him and his family. I saw there was a special mention of HY"D and was questioning the insistence of putting those letters after his name when he went into a dangerous area without good reason.

Was he killed because he was Jewish? Or because he was with soldiers that were invading a foreign country and wearing clothes to make it look like he's part of them? Does that get a HY"D or not?

What’s your basis for the fact that he went there without good reason? Or are you just assuming?
https://x.com/yoavzitun/status/1859667271821689160

[yelped]

Biden admin is not finished with their parting gifts to Iran and their proxies:

https://x.com/VividProwess/status/1859306513829069178

[Chester7]

Biden admin is not finished with their parting gifts to Iran and their proxies:

https://x.com/VividProwess/status/1859306513829069178

I'd assume this is so they can't finish the job before Trump takes office.

[Moshe Green]

I don't find @Moshe Green 's posts troll-ish, even though I don't always agree with him.  Can he write with more sensitivity? Perhaps.  Most of the rest of us can, too.  What comes easy to some might be harder for others. That shouldn't mean he can't voice his thoughts and opinions.  Additionally, some of his posts bring up unique perspectives, which I enjoy learning from.

(And don't forget the "ignore" feature.)

Thank you! I appreciate your compliments.
I really am not trying to get everyone riled up, which is what the objective of a troll is. I may not have the best presentation, living in EY for over 20 years now...
But I am simply putting out there the slight possibility that there are other perspectives other than what the YWN spews out or what is propagandized by the Israeli government...
Everyone is free to disagree or ignore me if they want, and if they have a good point (like some had here) I may even change my opinion...
I really do enjoy seeing the kaleidoscope of personalities of DDF, even when it means that i'll get bashed

[LongTimeLurker]

I heard a shmooze from R' Shraga Kallus about Israelis whose children were killed in combat post 10/7. These people were upset that charedi boys are not going to the army and that their children were not serving in the army as well.

R' Kallus's take was that parents whose children died in battle are dying Al Kiddush Hashem and not simply because they are defending the land of Israel. He compared their death to the death of his grandparents who were killed in the Holocaust.

The upshot was while people complain that the charedi boys are not in harm's way, the death of their great-grandparents are no less Al Kiddush Hashem.

I really need a dislike button added for some of the stuff here.

[Moshe Green]

I really need a dislike button added for some of the stuff here.

instead of going woke and shutting down the opposition why don't you explain to us all the problem with the shiur?

Even if we won't agree with you it may open us up to your side of the story and at least understand that there are two sides...

[shmooz]

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/airlines-missiles-mideast-conflict-fa2a2db0?mod=mhp

This looks interesting, can anyone share the full article?

[Kobe Bryant]

Rabbi Tzvi Kogan, a Chabad shaliach in the Emirati city of Abu Dhabi, has been missing for several days. Kogan, who serves as an assistant to the Chief Rabbi of the UAE, Rabbi Levi Duchman and manages the kosher supermarket in Abu Dhabi, has not been in touch with his wife since Wednesday.

[frenchfries]

Rabbi Tzvi Kogan, a Chabad shaliach in the Emirati city of Abu Dhabi, has been missing for several days. Kogan, who serves as an assistant to the Chief Rabbi of the UAE, Rabbi Levi Duchman and manages the kosher supermarket in Abu Dhabi, has not been in touch with his wife since Wednesday.

Most importantly: please daven for Tzvi hakohen ben Ettel.

[yelped]

https://mrandrewfox.substack.com/p/the-case-against-israel-is-built

[Kobe Bryant]

Most importantly: please daven for Tzvi hakohen ben Ettel.

BD”E

[AsherO]

BD”E

HY”D

[AsherO]

https://x.com/barakravid/status/1860804431081513093

The sentiment I’m getting is that Netanyahu hopes to avoid pissing Biden admin off anymore and wants to give the IDF ground forces a break while agreeing with the US that Israel will be able to continue to react as necessary in Lebanon. So very much a truce/ceasefire, not an agreement they expect much out of.

Not the outcome I was hoping for, but then again there’s a lot I don’t know.

[longtimelurker23]

instead of going woke and shutting down the opposition why don't you explain to us all the problem with the shiur?

Even if we won't agree with you it may open us up to your side of the story and at least understand that there are two sides...

Among unzer, let's be honest, there is nothing "woke" about shutting down some lines of discussion; halacha, hashkafa, and history is replete with rabbanim censoring, whitewashing, vchulei. Not everyone agrees with those shittos, and you can disagree (see Rabbi Dr. Shapiro) but they are a real part of the mesorah.  In the context of DDF, the use of "woke" is just a cheap ad-hominem.
Also, how could someone object to the content of the shiur? it is incredibly difficult to discern the Rav's point, as presented; is he praising the parents? the chayalim? The grandparent? I am confused.