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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14080 on: November 24, 2024, 07:32:56 PM »
https://x.com/barakravid/status/1860804431081513093

The sentiment I’m getting is that Netanyahu hopes to avoid pissing Biden admin off anymore and wants to give the IDF ground forces a break while agreeing with the US that Israel will be able to continue to react as necessary in Lebanon. So very much a truce/ceasefire, not an agreement they expect much out of.

Not the outcome I was hoping for, but then again there’s a lot I don’t know.
The current proposal has been ping ponging for a couple of weeks. Hard to believe it will go anywhere.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14081 on: November 24, 2024, 08:46:25 PM »
The current proposal has been ping ponging for a couple of weeks. Hard to believe it will go anywhere.

Hopefully you’re right and Israel is just playing the game and buying time.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14082 on: November 25, 2024, 11:37:34 AM »
anyone have a way to explain the rationale behind the current expected ceasefire? i mean who stops fighting and puts down your arms when your crushing your enemy??? few things i can think of to be "dan lekav zchus" that israel is not just being pushed around by the americans...

1-rain/weather. rain and cold weather are bad for troop movements, a former idf soldier mentioned to me a few months ago, "nothing stops a army like rain"...with the winter coming up maybe israel wants thier troops out...however this would not explain why they cant keep on pounding lebanon from the air...
2-lack of weapons. maybe israel has used up alot of its bombs, and usa is not sending more/enough?
3-something big is planned for the iran/nuclear issue and israel feels that they will need all thier resources focused in that direction...or that the usa only is giving israel the green light to tackle the iran/nuclear issue if they first make a ceasefire w lebanon?

from these answers the best is #3. but regardless the whole thing is perplexing. hezbollah is on its knees and on its last breath and u stop now???

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14083 on: November 25, 2024, 12:01:47 PM »
3-something big is planned for the iran/nuclear issue and israel feels that they will need all thier resources focused in that direction...or that the usa only is giving israel the green light to tackle the iran/nuclear issue if they first make a ceasefire w lebanon?

from these answers the best is #3. but regardless the whole thing is perplexing. hezbollah is on its knees and on its last breath and u stop now???
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They probly got a green light from the incoming admin to destroy iran.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14084 on: November 25, 2024, 12:05:48 PM »
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They probly got a green light from the incoming admin to destroy iran.

but why stop now? continue destroying lebanon and then destroy iran on jan 20th  :)

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14085 on: November 25, 2024, 12:23:55 PM »
The current proposal has been ping ponging for a couple of weeks. Hard to believe it will go anywhere.

Still think it isn’t happening?
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14086 on: November 25, 2024, 01:20:52 PM »
anyone have a way to explain the rationale behind the current expected ceasefire? i mean who stops fighting and puts down your arms when your crushing your enemy??? few things i can think of to be "dan lekav zchus" that israel is not just being pushed around by the americans...

1-rain/weather. rain and cold weather are bad for troop movements, a former idf soldier mentioned to me a few months ago, "nothing stops a army like rain"...with the winter coming up maybe israel wants thier troops out...however this would not explain why they cant keep on pounding lebanon from the air...
2-lack of weapons. maybe israel has used up alot of its bombs, and usa is not sending more/enough?
3-something big is planned for the iran/nuclear issue and israel feels that they will need all thier resources focused in that direction...or that the usa only is giving israel the green light to tackle the iran/nuclear issue if they first make a ceasefire w lebanon?

from these answers the best is #3. but regardless the whole thing is perplexing. hezbollah is on its knees and on its last breath and u stop now???

It's mostly about appeasing the Obiden administration so it doesn't act unilaterally against Israeli interests in its remaining lame duck weeks.

https://x.com/BloombergYuval/status/1861102659089932388
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14087 on: November 25, 2024, 01:22:20 PM »
It's mostly about appeasing the Obiden administration so it doesn't act unilaterally against Israeli interests in its remaining lame duck weeks.

https://x.com/BloombergYuval/status/1861102659089932388

Regarding an apparent agreement with Lebanon/Hezbollah.

Throughout most of the war it was difficult (for me) to form an immediate principled opinion regarding specific moves due to the lack of concrete information. Several principles were clear in my opinion:
1. The Philadelphia Axis should remain in Israel's hands because of its strategic significance.
2. The war in Gaza cannot end before the return of all the abductees and the full and absolute defeat of Hamas.
3. Critical need for the war in Lebanon in order to remove the Hezbollah threat for many, many years to come plus the possibility of leaving freedom of action to continue attacks at any given moment.
4. Critical need for a very significant military operation against Iran in order to eliminate/delay the nuclear threat and cause the Iranian regime as much economic damage as possible (through damage to the oil fields). And of course contribute as much as possible to the overthrow of the Iranian regime.

Over the past year, it was clear that Netanyahu was maneuvering between a number of powerful factors that are working to thwart him and the policies he is leading:

1. His partners in the government, Gantz and Eisenkot, worked to thwart him and stop the war in Gaza.

2. Minister of Defense Gallant and the Chief of Staff, worked under him in cooperation with the American administration to stop the war, slow it down or disrupt its goals as Netanyahu defined them (total victory, entry into Rafah, occupation and abandonment of the area, and more).

3. An American administration that ranges between support (especially in the early stages of the war) and an arms embargo on Israel, open and covert threats and cooperation with subversive elements from within Israel.

4. International legal activity against Israel, apparently with the support of leftist elements from the country who provided evidence, similar to what they did in the past with the Goldstone report (after cast lead). There is no evidence for this yet, but since this is a regular whistle-blowing practice that has been going on for many years, it can be assumed that they have not stopped it in the last year.

5. The Israeli media that did not stop, even for one second, inflaming hatred and agitating the streets against the government, mainly through extensive use of the subject of the abductees.

7. A hostile legal system that did everything to disrupt his work and the work of the government.

***
Considering all of this, Netanyahu was able to maneuver well towards the goals he set, and especially against the Biden administration, which became downright hostile in the months before the elections.

Since more than any other leader, Netanyahu has demonstrated the greatest determination regarding the use of military force to achieve the goals he has set, it can be assumed that if he is considering an agreement with Lebanon, it does not stem from a lack of determination, but from other considerations.

As far as it seems, the biggest risk facing us right now is an action by the Biden administration, seeking political revenge, against the State of Israel. Since the elections, this administration has become a strategic danger and the biggest fear is international moves against the State of Israel through the Security Council, just as Obama did in his last minute in the White House, but this time maybe worse. The implication is that Netanyahu should do almost anything in order to avoid such an action.

Of course, causing political damage of this kind is a happy event for the Israeli left, which openly calls for sanctions on Israel, a boycott of Israel, the intervention of the Security Council and support for the arrest warrants for Netanyahu, and if possible for other personalities as well. (Parts there also wish for arrest warrants against IDF soldiers and officers).

Therefore, this is the perspective by which the criticism of the leaders and people of the left on the agreement with Lebanon should be judged. Their preferred goal is a confrontation between Netanyahu and the administration, a confrontation that will lead to damage to the country that they can take care of for Netanyahu. Beyond that, they themselves demanded many times to stop the war in Gaza and prevent a war against Lebanon (on the grounds that we cannot meet the price, etc...). All these make their criticism political, meaningless and unreliable.

And the most pathetic group, as usual, are the right-right-right squealers, some of whom are currently having a tantrum. As we know, it is never possible to compete with their militant bravado and the "ideological perfection" that characterizes them. They always know how to sound more demanding, more determined, more courageous, but in practice, at the moment of the test, they end up crying and moved in the comforting arms of the Muslim Brotherhood and the radical left. These, in my opinion, are the closest thing to modern Saturns. The way they conduct themselves, and the humiliating way they finish.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14088 on: November 25, 2024, 01:26:01 PM »
Regarding an apparent agreement with Lebanon/Hezbollah.


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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14089 on: November 25, 2024, 01:32:32 PM »
Regarding an apparent agreement with Lebanon/Hezbollah.

Throughout most of the war it was difficult (for me) to form an immediate principled opinion regarding specific moves due to the lack of concrete information. Several principles were clear in my opinion:
1. The Philadelphia Axis should remain in Israel's hands because of its strategic significance.
2. The war in Gaza cannot end before the return of all the abductees and the full and absolute defeat of Hamas.
3. Critical need for the war in Lebanon in order to remove the Hezbollah threat for many, many years to come plus the possibility of leaving freedom of action to continue attacks at any given moment.
4. Critical need for a very significant military operation against Iran in order to eliminate/delay the nuclear threat and cause the Iranian regime as much economic damage as possible (through damage to the oil fields). And of course contribute as much as possible to the overthrow of the Iranian regime.

Over the past year, it was clear that Netanyahu was maneuvering between a number of powerful factors that are working to thwart him and the policies he is leading:

1. His partners in the government, Gantz and Eisenkot, worked to thwart him and stop the war in Gaza.

2. Minister of Defense Gallant and the Chief of Staff, worked under him in cooperation with the American administration to stop the war, slow it down or disrupt its goals as Netanyahu defined them (total victory, entry into Rafah, occupation and abandonment of the area, and more).

3. An American administration that ranges between support (especially in the early stages of the war) and an arms embargo on Israel, open and covert threats and cooperation with subversive elements from within Israel.

4. International legal activity against Israel, apparently with the support of leftist elements from the country who provided evidence, similar to what they did in the past with the Goldstone report (after cast lead). There is no evidence for this yet, but since this is a regular whistle-blowing practice that has been going on for many years, it can be assumed that they have not stopped it in the last year.

5. The Israeli media that did not stop, even for one second, inflaming hatred and agitating the streets against the government, mainly through extensive use of the subject of the abductees.

7. A hostile legal system that did everything to disrupt his work and the work of the government.

***
Considering all of this, Netanyahu was able to maneuver well towards the goals he set, and especially against the Biden administration, which became downright hostile in the months before the elections.

Since more than any other leader, Netanyahu has demonstrated the greatest determination regarding the use of military force to achieve the goals he has set, it can be assumed that if he is considering an agreement with Lebanon, it does not stem from a lack of determination, but from other considerations.

As far as it seems, the biggest risk facing us right now is an action by the Biden administration, seeking political revenge, against the State of Israel. Since the elections, this administration has become a strategic danger and the biggest fear is international moves against the State of Israel through the Security Council, just as Obama did in his last minute in the White House, but this time maybe worse. The implication is that Netanyahu should do almost anything in order to avoid such an action.

Of course, causing political damage of this kind is a happy event for the Israeli left, which openly calls for sanctions on Israel, a boycott of Israel, the intervention of the Security Council and support for the arrest warrants for Netanyahu, and if possible for other personalities as well. (Parts there also wish for arrest warrants against IDF soldiers and officers).

Therefore, this is the perspective by which the criticism of the leaders and people of the left on the agreement with Lebanon should be judged. Their preferred goal is a confrontation between Netanyahu and the administration, a confrontation that will lead to damage to the country that they can take care of for Netanyahu. Beyond that, they themselves demanded many times to stop the war in Gaza and prevent a war against Lebanon (on the grounds that we cannot meet the price, etc...). All these make their criticism political, meaningless and unreliable.

And the most pathetic group, as usual, are the right-right-right squealers, some of whom are currently having a tantrum. As we know, it is never possible to compete with their militant bravado and the "ideological perfection" that characterizes them. They always know how to sound more demanding, more determined, more courageous, but in practice, at the moment of the test, they end up crying and moved in the comforting arms of the Muslim Brotherhood and the radical left. These, in my opinion, are the closest thing to modern Saturns. The way they conduct themselves, and the humiliating way they finish.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14090 on: November 25, 2024, 01:34:53 PM »
Thank you for translating and typing out for those without access. It is not expected and really appreciated!

Twitter has a "Translate Post" option and this is a copy paste from that.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14091 on: November 25, 2024, 02:59:16 PM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/lebanon-ceasefire-deal-allows-residents-of-south-lebanon-to-return-no-buffer-zone-us-led-oversight-report/

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Channel 12 sets out what it says are the core elements of the US-brokered Israel-Lebanon deal aimed at halting the war against Hezbollah on the northern front. It says only very minor details of the deal remain to be finalized.

It says the deal provides for:

A mutual ceasefire;
The IDF can stay in Lebanon for up to 60 days;
The IDF to leave as the Lebanese Army deploys;
No border buffer zone in southern Lebanon, and residents of south Lebanon can go home;
The Lebanese government to oversee all arms purchases and arms production in Lebanon;
The US to head the international body overseeing the deal’s implementation; France will also sit on that panel.

The TV report adds that a US side letter will state clearly that Israel has the right to act whenever it sees an immediate threat from Lebanon. The report adds that the US has indicated in recent days that if Israel sees a need to act against threats that can tackled on Syrian territory, rather than on Lebanese territory, that would be preferable.

It also says US envoy Amos Hochstein made clear to Israel that there would be no deal if France were not a member of the international oversight body.

Channel 12 says there was near-unanimous support for the deal from the politicians and defense establishment participants in last night’s PM-led security consultation. It says unspecified strategic implications were highlighted, as were considerations regarding Donald Trump’s imminent return to the US presidency, and considerations relating to arms supplies.

At that meeting, it says, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that the deal would leave Hamas isolated and raise the chances of a hostage deal.

The bold is mine, and probably the best justification for this deal. It's a different world in 60 days.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14092 on: November 25, 2024, 04:44:48 PM »
I'm still off the opinion that it's too early for a deal, as long as Hizbullah still exists as a functional group and is part of the Lebanese government. However, there are strong differences to this and other peace agreements.

1) Israel is not really conceding anything. No prisoner swaps, no territorial changes, etc.
2) Israel is in charge of their own security and Lebanon does not have complete sovereignty over their border in that Israel can go in and take care of threats with impunity (much like they do now in Yehuda v'Shomron).
3) This doesn't allow terrorists to take a victory lap, as they are giving up while Israel is still in Gaza, the whole point of their attacks was that they would not stop until the IDF was out of Gaza.

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« Reply #14093 on: November 25, 2024, 04:48:20 PM »
I'm still off the opinion that it's too early for a deal, as long as Hizbullah still exists as a functional group and is part of the Lebanese government. However, there are strong differences to this and other peace agreements.

1) Israel is not really conceding anything. No prisoner swaps, no territorial changes, etc.
2) Israel is in charge of their own security and Lebanon does not have complete sovereignty over their border in that Israel can go in and take care of threats with impunity (much like they do now in Yehuda v'Shomron).
3) This doesn't allow terrorists to take a victory lap, as they are giving up while Israel is still in Gaza, the whole point of their attacks was that they would not stop until the IDF was out of Gaza.
What is Israel tells US if there is any UN action, this is over?

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14094 on: November 25, 2024, 04:52:10 PM »
https://open.substack.com/pub/thedailyscroll/p/nov-25-the-lebanon-deal-is-terrible

According to Sunday reports in Kan, Haaretz, and Ynet News, Israel has agreed “in principle” to a U.S.-backed, 60-day cease-fire with Hezbollah in Lebanon. While the proposal has not been finalized, Israel has “okayed the main tenets” of the agreement, according to The Times of Israel, and has conveyed its approval to Lebanon. Israeli ministers are reportedly set to approve the truce tomorrow.

We’ll quote here from the summary of the three reports in TOI (emphasis ours):

Haaretz reported that the proposal will include three stages: a truce followed by Hezbollah removing its forces north of the Litani River; an Israeli pullout from southern Lebanon; and finally, Israeli-Lebanese negotiations on demarcation of contested border areas.

It said an international body led by the U.S. will be tasked with monitoring the ceasefire, and that Israel expects to receive a letter from Washington affirming its right to act militarily should Hezbollah break the terms of the ceasefire amid no action by Lebanon’s military and international forces.

And Kan, on Netanyahu’s plan to sell the deal to the public, said the aim is to present the truce not as a compromise but as beneficial to Israel.

In other words, primary responsibility for keeping Hezbollah out of southern Lebanon will fall to the U.S.-subsidized Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF), which is a de facto auxiliary for Hezbollah for the obvious reason that the Hezbollah-run Lebanese government controls it. The other security guarantor (the “international forces”) will be the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon, which is also a Hezbollah auxiliary. Since 2006, UNIFIL has completely ignored its mandate to ensure the “demilitarization” of southern Lebanon and has instead acted as…

(a) a front for laundering international funds to Hezbollah, since UNIFIL pays “Hezbollah operatives and supporters to act as contractors and provide other services,” as Tony Badran explained for Tablet earlier this month; and

(b) a human shield for Hezbollah, colocating its bases with the terror group’s infrastructure. This latter function, already public knowledge, has become undeniable since Israel’s recent invasion of southern Lebanon, as seen here


Yes, that’s a Hezbollah position located within sight of a UNIFIL observation post, though distinguishing between “Hezbollah” and “UNIFIL” is something of an exercise in pedantry. Israel Hayom reported in October, citing Israeli security sources who had interrogated captured Hezbollah operatives, that Hezbollah bribed UNIFIL personnel to use UNIFIL positions and “took control of UNIFIL cameras in compounds near the Israeli border and used them for their own purposes.” And since Israel’s invasion, UNIFIL “peacekeepers” have routinely entered fighting zones to block the Israelis from engaging with Hezbollah units. Which should not come as a shock, either, given that, as Badran notes, a “high-ranking Irish UNIFIL officer” told the French press in 2018 that the “Indonesian Blue Helmets constantly report Israeli movements to various Lebanese actors,” i.e., Hezbollah and its LAF allies.

But don’t worry. If the U.S.- and internationally-funded Hezbollah auxiliaries fail to constrain Hezbollah, Israel can file a complaint with Washington—which, under the soon-to-be jettisoned Obama-Biden faction, is also on Hezbollah’s side. So at least they have that going for them.

The deal is, frankly, idiotic on its face, and it is especially puzzling why the Israelis would agree to it now, only a few months before the hostile Biden administration leaves office. The answer to that questions appears to be: U.S. blackmail.

An Israeli official told The Times of Israel that “Israel had no choice but to accept a ceasefire, out of fear that U.S. President Joe Biden’s administration could punish Israel with a United Nations Security Council resolution in its final weeks.” The same official added that “Israel is missing the capabilities it needs from the U.S., including 134 D9 bulldozers.” And it’s likely that the Israeli leadership was spooked by the recent International Criminal Court arrest warrants targeting Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant, given that current Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), acting at the behest of the White House, has blocked a bill sanctioning the ICC from being taken up in the Senate, and that State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said Monday that each country will have to make up its own mind on whether or not to comply with the warrants. (Republicans have threatened to sanction U.S. allies for attempting to enforce the warrants.) Presumably, the White House could have made life even more difficult for Bibi if he refused to play ball.

One can take some encouragement from Netanyahu’s comments in October that the “agreements” are not worth the paper they are printed on:

The agreements, documents, proposals and numbers—[UNSCR] 1701, 1559—with all due respect, are not the main point. The main point is our ability and determination to enforce security, thwart attacks against us, and act against the arming of our enemies, as necessary and despite any pressure and constraints. This is the main point.

That is indeed the main point, but it nevertheless strikes us as a terrible idea to agree to the creation of a U.S.-led “international body” with the power to decide when and how Israel is allowed to act against Hezbollah in Lebanon. Israel can likely count on having a friend in Washington for the next four years, but Trump won’t be in power forever. If and when the Democrats return to the White House, Israel may discover that it has just ceded an important part of it sovereignty to an enemy.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14095 on: November 25, 2024, 05:15:20 PM »
https://x.com/Enduring_Peace/status/1861162521140314575?t=5UTN7rMsiHeLnPcNkKHUXg&s=19

The Lebanon ceasefire deal is dangerous, will lead to more death, and will increase suffering on all sides, ח”ו. The area from which Israel plans to retreat is necessary to ensure the safety of its citizens.

History has shown time and again, that no other nation, friend or foe, will endanger their own troops to defend Israeli lives. If the IDF relinquishes the territory, it will become a springboard for more terrorist activity. Even if Israel retains the right to eliminate threats, it will be ineffective.

In 1978, following Israel’s capture of this very same strip of land to fend off terrorist activity, the UN formed UNIFIL and, under resolutions 425-6, the Israel-allied South Lebanese army was to enforce the retreat of terror forces on Israel's border.

The Rebbe warned Israel against withdrawing its defensive forces, pointing to Code of Jewish Law, Chapter 329: “In a city near the border, even if they come only to plunder straw or hay, we must take up arms, even if this entails desecrating the Shabbat.”

Relinquishing land, even for promises of peace, will necessarily result in danger to life. UNIFIL and Israel’s withdrawal didn’t work in ‘78, nor did it in 2000, and it won’t work today. When Israel defends itself as Torah directs it to, it will achieve enduring peace.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14096 on: November 25, 2024, 05:33:37 PM »
Today is November 25. What's 60 days from now? That definitely plays a part.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14097 on: November 25, 2024, 05:40:45 PM »
I'm still off the opinion that it's too early for a deal, as long as Hizbullah still exists as a functional group and is part of the Lebanese government. However, there are strong differences to this and other peace agreements.

To anyone that is bold enough to express an opinion, I ask the question as to when they found out about the Eid-Al-Beeper operation.

Anyone who had no clue or knowledge about that operation prior to it being carried out, is obviously lacking important information in order to have an opinion other than trust or distrust of those in the know who call the shots.

The above notwithstanding, it seems like the main strategy is along the lines of "save me from my friends, I'll manage my enemies myself". We all recall the backstabbing by Obama at the UN on his way out. The hostile forces need to be kept at bay until January 20th, 2025. As far as I understand the proposed agreement leaves the determination on whether there was a violation that allows for Israeli action/retaliation to Israel.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14098 on: November 25, 2024, 06:47:41 PM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/lebanon-ceasefire-deal-allows-residents-of-south-lebanon-to-return-no-buffer-zone-us-led-oversight-report/

The bold is mine, and probably the best justification for this deal. It's a different world in 60 days.
IMO wishful thinking.
especially when you consider that Trump MHM has specifically wanted lebanon done ASAP and done before he enters,
he will certainly not appreciate IL blowing this one up again as a welcome present to his entering office.

Additionally:
IL had listed a few final 'issues' with this deal, that they now seem to have conceded. such as inclusion of FR. also, relgating their 'freedom to act' to a side-agreement

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14099 on: November 25, 2024, 07:11:24 PM »
https://x.com/shaykallach/status/1861115943469892030

I will start from the end - Hezbollah must be destroyed and the territory of Lebanon must be occupied up to the Litani. In addition, I am also one of those 88% of those who oppose the cease-fire in Lebanon (according to the Filber survey).

At the same time, we must understand that in the end the decisive judgment is reserved for the leader. Parable What is it similar to? A surgeon who decides to stop the operation against all logic. Since we do not have the indices of the patient, and even if we know it is not certain that we will understand their meaning, there is a barrier in front of us from expressing a firm position.

We do not know the state of armaments, the international considerations, the considerations vis-à-vis the USA before Trump's entry into the White House. And who knows - maybe it is even possible that there are estimates of an attack on Iran at this time which necessitates this pause.

We have to get used to the fact that we are not exposed to the information that the captains have. The inclination of the heart is important, sometimes necessary, but it is the balanced, cold and professional mind that should decide these fateful issues.

The public's position is critical in giving support to the leadership, but in the end - it is he who has to make the most professional decision.
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