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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14320 on: December 02, 2024, 03:09:39 PM »
Meh it would still be a Biden score with a Trump assist.
Prob depends how close to inauguration day.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14321 on: December 02, 2024, 03:14:47 PM »
Prob depends how close to inauguration day.

Yeah, if it is like the Algiers Accords then the credit will go mainly to Trump.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14322 on: December 02, 2024, 03:23:00 PM »
Depends what you classify as a violation but the accusations on Israeli violations were already before this Har Dov attack.   

The Har Dov attack was even framed as a warning/reaction to Israel’s alleged violations.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14323 on: December 02, 2024, 03:48:53 PM »
Get out of your EC people!
The news is full of alleged Israeli violations of the ceasefire

They aint stopping, and we aint stopping

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14324 on: December 02, 2024, 05:39:50 PM »
Depends what you classify as a violation but the accusations on Israeli violations were already before this Har Dov attack.
Come on, you know the accusations are kind of like UNRWA blaming Israel for Hamas stealing their aid (which they allow Hamas to sell and make money off anyways).

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14325 on: December 02, 2024, 07:44:33 PM »
Come on, you know the accusations are kind of like UNRWA blaming Israel for Hamas stealing their aid (which they allow Hamas to sell and make money off anyways).

That's not the point here, and btw the US and France blamed them as well.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14326 on: December 02, 2024, 08:36:14 PM »
That's not the point here, and btw the US and France blamed them as well.

France should keep Hezpollah north of the Maginot Line
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14327 on: December 02, 2024, 09:08:30 PM »
That's not the point here, and btw the US and France blamed them as well.
I don't give them any credence. Israel is going to enforce the deal which will include hitting Hezbollah. They don't want them to do that.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14328 on: December 02, 2024, 09:47:48 PM »
That's not the point here, and btw the US and France blamed them as well.
a roundup of all the violations according to the IDF. ( taken from Mrs Efune report)


Timeline of Major Ceasefire Violations:

—> Wednesday, 28th:

Violation: Hezbollah terrorists enter Meiss al-Jabal, in Southern Lebanon, which is a closed zone under IDF control.

IDF reaction: Troops fire at the terrorists.

Violation: Hezbollah terrorists enter Kfar Kila, and walk right up to the border next to the Israeli town of Metula.

IDF reaction: Four terrorists detained.

—> Thursday, 28th:

Violation: Group of Hezbollah terrorists arrive in Southern Lebanon, Markaba area.

IDF response: Drone strike near the terrorists as a warning shot, with no intention to kill.

Incident: IDF launches interceptor missile over Western Galilee, after identifying a “suspicious aerial target” over Lebanon. No further explanation given.

Violation: Hezbollah activity in a medium-range rockets storage facility in Southern Lebanon.


IDF response: Airstrike on the facility, to remove the threat.

Violation: Two Hezbollah terrorists entered a known rocket-launching site in Southern Lebanon/

IDF response: Drone strike targeted the terrorists, to remove the threat.

—> Friday, 29th:

Violation: Terrorists spotted driving a medium-range mobile rocket launcher on a truck in Southern Lebanon.

IDF response: Airstrike targeted the truck with the launcher.

—> Shabbat, November 30:

Incident: IDF soldiers dispersed “suspects” who entered the no-go zone held by the IDF. Later, they found a cache of weapons belonging to Hezbollah hidden in a mosque in the area.

Violation: IDF identified Hezbollah actively transferring weapons from Syria to Lebanon, via civilian border crossings.

IDF response: Airstrike targeting Syrian military sites near the border crossings, which were being used to facilitate the transfers.

Violation: Gunmen in Southern Lebanon spotted loading a vehicle with RPGs, ammunition boxes, and other military equipment.

IDF response: Drone strike targeted the vehicle.


Violation: Hezbollah terrorists spotted in building in Southern Lebanon known to be used for terror activity.

IDF response: Troops fired at the terrorists. Later they reached the building and found numerous weapons.

Violation: Activity spotted in a Hezbollah facility in Sidon, used to store rocket launchers.

IDF response: Airstrike on the facility.

Violation: Vehicle spotted operating at a Hezbollah manufacturing facility “deep inside Lebanon.”

IDF reaction: Drone strike against the vehicle.

IDF response: Curfew announced for the night of November 30, from 5 p.m. until 7 a.m., forbidding crossing the Litani River into Southern Lebanon.

—> Monday, December 2:

Violation: Military vehicles spotted operating at a Hezbollah missile manufacturing facility in the Beqaa Valley, as well as at several weapons smuggling sites on the Lebanon-Syria border in the Hermel District.

IDF response: Multiple airstrikes targeting the vehicles. The Lebanese Army says that one of their own soldiers were injured in a strike.


Violation: Several incidents of Hezbollah terrorists spotted in Southern Lebanon.

IDF response: Drone and artillery strikes at the terrorists.

Violation: Hezbollah launched two mortars at Israeli military positions on the border, in the Mount Dov area. Hezbollah claims that this was an “initial warning” due to Israel’s “repeated violations” of the ceasefire agreement.

IDF response: Airstrike on the mortar launcher, and dozens of rocket launchers and Hezbollah facilities across Lebanon, including border crossings used to smuggle weapons from Syria.

In a statement, the IDF said: “The State of Israel demands that the relevant parties in Lebanon fulfill their responsibilities and prevent Hezbollah’s hostile activity from within Lebanese territory. The State of Israel remains obligated to the fulfillment of the conditions of the ceasefire agreement in Lebanon.”

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14330 on: December 02, 2024, 11:03:15 PM »
Abu Saleh posted the following on his Telegram channel (auto translation, I didn't check or edit)

https://t.me/salehdesk1/49417

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האם אנו במשחק פינג פונג?

לא נראה לי שאנחנו צד במשחק הזה אבל צריך להבהיר כאן נקודה חשובה.

מאז החל התמרון הקרקעי בלבנון נשאלתי מאות פעמים, למה חיזבאללה לא ירה אלפי רקטות?

למה חיזבאללה לא מקיים מה שהבטיחו שנים?

למה למה למה?

אין למה? כבר מזמן הייתם צריכים להבין שאין אישור איראני, כתבתי לכם בערוץ עשרות פעמים, חיזבאללה חמאס ג'יהאד האסלאמי וכל שאר סמרטוטי הרצפה, הם לא הסיפור אלה זרועות אדירות שנבנו במשך שנים ארוכות, איראן צריכה אותם בשיא העוצמה כשיקבלו את ההוראה להוציא את הכלים הכבדים.

סינואר הפתיע את כולם ועשה מהלך לבד.

המלחמה ברצועת עזה טרפה את הקלפים של החמאס והג'יהאד האסלאמי וגרמה לנזק מטורף לארגון חיזבאללה.

למרות המכות הקטלניות שחטפו החמאס וחיזבאללה, ההוראה לפעול לא הגיעה מטהראן, ברור, הם צריכים את עיקר הכוח והנשק שלא הופעל ע"י חיזבאללה בעת הצורך, מה זה בעת הצורך?

תקיפת תקני הגרעין האיראני

הפרוקסי האיראני זה הגיבוי שבנתה איראן במשך עשרות שנים.

השמדנו אולי עשירית, אולי.

האינטרס העליון של חיזבאללה בעת הזאת הוא לשמר הפסקת האש.

הם חייבים את 60 היום האלה כדי שאחריהם הם יוכלו לחזור חזרה "לעסקים".

לכן הפסקת האש הזו היא מדומה, ואסור לנו להיגרר למשחק הפינג פונג הזה.

לא סיימנו את העבודה בלבנון, יותר נכון לכתוב עוד לא התחלנו, זו האמת ומי שצריך לדעת את זה יודע.


Are we in a ping pong game?

It doesn't seem to me that we are a party in this game, but an important point needs to be clarified here.

Since the ground maneuver in Lebanon began, I have been asked hundreds of times, why didn't Hezbollah fire thousands of rockets?

Why is Hezbollah not fulfilling what they have promised for years?

why why why?

no why? You should have understood a long time ago that there is no Iranian approval, I wrote to you on the channel dozens of times, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and all the other floor rags, they are not the story, these are mighty arms that have been built for many years, Iran needs them at the peak of their power when they receive the order to bring out the heavy weapons.

Sinuar surprised everyone and made a move on his own.

The war in the Gaza Strip devoured the cards of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad and caused insane damage to the Hezbollah organization.

Despite the deadly blows inflicted by Hamas and Hezbollah, the order to act did not come from Tehran, obviously, they need the main force and weapons that were not used by Hezbollah when needed, what is it when needed?

Attacking the Iranian nuclear standards

The Iranian proxy is the backup that Iran has built up for decades.

We destroyed maybe a tenth, maybe.

Hezbollah's highest interest at this time is to preserve the ceasefire.

They need these 60 days so that after them they can go back to "business".

That's why this ceasefire is fake, and we must not be dragged into this ping pong game.

We haven't finished the work in Lebanon, it's more correct to write we haven't started yet, that's the truth and those who need to know know it.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14331 on: December 02, 2024, 11:17:13 PM »
That's not the point here, and btw the US and France blamed them as well.
That is the point here and I know that the US and France ignored the Hezbollah violations and the fact that they agreed that Israel has a right to respond directly to Hezbollah violations besides reporting it to the US and France. I stand by what I said.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14332 on: December 02, 2024, 11:43:01 PM »
That is the point here and I know that the US and France ignored the Hezbollah violations and the fact that they agreed that Israel has a right to respond directly to Hezbollah violations besides reporting it to the US and France. I stand by what I said.

Point is that the mortar attack on Har Dov this morning wasn't the first and there were accusations about Israeli violations before that. Whether or not those violations were warranted or not due to prior Hezbollah violations is not the point here. Both sides exchanged attacks prior to the attack on Har Dov so this wasn't the first breach to the ceasefire. 
« Last Edit: December 02, 2024, 11:57:40 PM by EliJelly »

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14333 on: December 03, 2024, 02:56:57 AM »
I don't get the play here. What's the PA's angle? They really think the US will push Israel to sign off on this? And what is Egypt thinking?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-pa-hamas-agree-to-form-committee-to-run-post-war-gaza/

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The Palestinian Authority and Hamas have signed a document agreeing to form a joint committee that would run the post-war Gaza Strip, the London-based pan-Arab news site Al-Araby Al-Jadeed reports.

The news site says it has a copy of the document that was signed to formulate the committee, to be made of 10-15 leading Palestinian figures.

The report comes a day after Egypt’s foreign minister said that rival Palestinian groups Fatah and Hamas were in Cairo for talks seeking to bring post-war Gaza under the full control of the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority.

Gaza has been under the authority of Hamas since it used force to take the territory in 2007 from the Fatah movement, which currently rules over parts of the West Bank under the PA. Repeated attempts at mending the rift between Fatah and Hamas have failed, wrecked by the factions’ bitter rivalry over power.

The talks are part of Egypt’s broader mediation efforts to broker a ceasefire between Israel and the Hamas terror group and to expand humanitarian access to the enclave.

The document laid out six commitments largely designed to unite the West Bank and Gaza under one political entity.

They would be responsible for overseeing health and economic services, agriculture and vital infrastructure.

It was unclear if Israel would agree to the deal being formulated. Israel rejects any role by Hamas in Gaza after the war is ended, and has said it does not trust the rival PA of Mahmoud Abbas to run the enclave.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14334 on: December 03, 2024, 03:07:03 AM »
I don't get the play here. What's the PA's angle? They really think the US will push Israel to sign off on this? And what is Egypt thinking?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-pa-hamas-agree-to-form-committee-to-run-post-war-gaza/
I think it's very likely the US does push Israel to sign off on it.
Egypt is trying to stay relevant, like they have for the last 2 decades.

Agav, this is exactly what Bibi was trying to avoid by not destroying Hamas...
One of his biggest accomplishments of his long tenure is the divorce of the west bank and Gaza in public perception, as well as among the Arabs themselves.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14335 on: December 03, 2024, 10:06:15 AM »
I don't get the play here. What's the PA's angle? They really think the US will push Israel to sign off on this? And what is Egypt thinking?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-pa-hamas-agree-to-form-committee-to-run-post-war-gaza/

I don't agree with this guy's conclusions about what Israel wants or should want, but he does explain why Hamas/PA want what they're asking for:
https://x.com/Eyalo365/status/1863798148792975468
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14336 on: December 03, 2024, 11:20:01 PM »
Point is that the mortar attack on Har Dov this morning wasn't the first and there were accusations about Israeli violations before that. Whether or not those violations were warranted or not due to prior Hezbollah violations is not the point here. Both sides exchanged attacks prior to the attack on Har Dov so this wasn't the first breach to the ceasefire.
I misunderstood what you wrote then. Anyways, enjoy this gem:

https://x.com/SimonPlosker/status/1863857289754525716

"Lebanon is accusing Israel of 54 breaches of the ceasefire. When I worked at
@UNWatch
, I saw the monthly Lebanese complaints to the UN of alleged Israeli violations of Resolution 1701. They included serious and shocking incidents such as:

▪️Israeli tourist buses visiting the border.
▪️Israeli tanks pointing in the direction of Lebanon (not firing, just pointing).
▪️My personal favorite: Lebanese cows allegedly being abducted by the IDF when they crossed the border to graze. (Invariably, the cows eventually returned home.)

So forgive me if I don't take the number 54 to be an indication of any alleged Israeli ceasefire breaches."

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14337 on: December 04, 2024, 02:24:19 PM »
Body Of Itay Svirsky HY”D Recovered From Gaza

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14338 on: December 05, 2024, 09:21:29 PM »
Ths sham of a report can be posted in the Open Season on Jews thread because there is no way they would dare to release such a topsy turvy report on anyone else. Actually, I take it back, they did the same to Ukraine.

Yet another fake NGO.

Lots of reactions out there. This is a simple, short act based article.

https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1864758662142558613

https://mrandrewfox.substack.com/p/amnesty-international

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