Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[yfr bachur]

The issue doesn’t start here, it’s starts with rules of engagement that leave you with too many injured terrorists. Great for intelligence, but you also end up with prisons full of terrorists.

On the other hand, if they (the PA/Hamas) are paying the prisoners families the fuller the prisons the less money for weapons...

BTW the rules of engagement in active situations do provide for the permanent neutralization of the terrorist in most cases. 
You cant just execute terrorists that you go to "arrest" if they are not posing a danger to the arresting force.

[AsherO]

On the other hand, if they (the PA/Hamas) are paying the prisoners families the fuller the prisons the less money for weapons...

The fact that Israel and the international community tolerates this is insane. The PA is a terror organization and should be labeled as such. The idea that they're the (relative) moderates that maintain the calm is a myth. Oslo should have been rolled back, with Trump it's going to be very hard because he's all about making deals and the Pallys are going to try to leverage that to maximize their interests.

[AsherO]

BTW the rules of engagement in active situations do provide for the permanent neutralization of the terrorist in most cases. 
You cant just execute terrorists that you go to "arrest" if they are not posing a danger to the arresting force.

I never suggested we execute anyone we're going to arrest, it's just another factor in the discussion. Too many active terrorists survive the attacks they perpetrate, even one is too many.

[NTorch]

I never suggested we execute anyone we're going to arrest, it's just another factor in the discussion. Too many active terrorists survive the attacks they perpetrate, even one is too many.

Court cases would drag on for years and no doubt there would be opportunities for swaps during the process.

[ejb123]

Court cases would drag on for years and no doubt there would be opportunities for swaps during the process.

not to set this discussion off, but what about Jewish terrorists? Different rules apply to them?

[Chester7]

not to set this discussion off, but what about Jewish terrorists? Different rules apply to them?

Assuming this is what he meant.

But we all know which cases their 'court' will let, and make them use it... r"l

[yfr bachur]

Agav... with the ceasefire in Gaza, it wilk be very interesting to see what happens now in yehuda veshomron.

[yelped]

Agav... with the ceasefire in Gaza, it wilk be very interesting to see what happens now in yehuda veshomron.

Meaning?

[stooges44]

[NTorch]

Agree with 95% - but the Palis have not yet claimed that the Golan should have been part of a Palestinian state.

[yfr bachur]

Meaning?

Whats going on there has more or less been below the radar, both with regards to western media coverage and also military emphasis.
Now that the IDF ha operational flexibility, will it undertake a massive campaign to rid yosh of terrorists and the Iranian supply chain?
Whats going to be with where media attention gets focused? Will it be where the IDF continues to operate i,e, the wb, or will it be focused on alleged "atrocities" "revealed" as the IDF withdraws in Gaza - which will allow the IDF to operate more freely in yosh

[yelped]

Whats going on there has more or less been below the radar, both with regards to western media coverage and also military emphasis.
Now that the IDF ha operational flexibility, will it undertake a massive campaign to rid yosh of terrorists and the Iranian supply chain?
Whats going to be with where media attention gets focused? Will it be where the IDF continues to operate i,e, the wb, or will it be focused on alleged "atrocities" "revealed" as the IDF withdraws in Gaza - which will allow the IDF to operate more freely in yosh

They were already operating there in a big way the last half a year or so. The media will focus their attention wherever their overlords tell them to.

[Just A Jew]

They were already operating there in a big way the last half a year or so. The media will focus their attention wherever their overlords tell them to.

His point is the overlords weren't paying attention, because Gaza and Lebanon took it all. Now that Lebanon is dead and Gaza is supposed to go quiet, he's wondering if the focus will remain on the devastation in Gaza and the rebuild, giving the IDF cover to continue doing what they've been doing, or if the focus will shift to anything that goes pop, putting the WB back in the headlines and hindering the IDF operations.

[mevinyavin]

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk4z11zvdkg

Likud defends deal: 'Allows Israel to return to fighting under American guarantee'
It is the first time the party has published an official statement on the deal; Claims it will allow Israel to 'maintain full control of the Philadelphi Corridor and the security buffer that surrounds the entire Gaza Strip'
Moran Azulay, Itamar Eichner


The Likud party issued a statement Thursday evening against National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, in which it stated, that the "existing deal allows Israel to return to fighting under American guarantee" - the first time any official has addressed this, after a series of references attributed to a "political figure." 

The party's statement against the minister, who threatened to leave the government coalition - at least temporarily - over the cease-fire and hostage release deal, also claimed that "anyone who dismantles a right-wing government will be remembered as a global disgrace."
The statement then details the reasons why Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu agreed to the deal, including that it allows Israel to "receive the weapons and means of warfare it needs, maximize the number of live hostages released, maintain full control of the Philadelphi Corridor and the security buffer that surrounds the entire Gaza Strip, and achieve dramatic security achievements that will ensure Israel's security for generations."
Otzma Yehudit responded to Likud in a statement. "We expect our friends in the Likud to express appreciation for the ideological step of Otzma Yehudit, which stood by its values ​​against the reckless deal, which endangers Israel's security, undermines the achievements of the war, and constitutes a complete victory for Hamas," the party said in a statement that also was posted on social media.
"This deal is a violation of all of the prime minister's public commitments to his partners and the Israeli public. It includes stopping the war, leaving the Philadelphia Corridor, abandoning the Netzarim Corridor, returning the terrorists to the northern Gaza Strip without inspection, and releasing hundreds of murderers with Jewish blood on their hands," the statement continued.
 "As we said, we will continue to support the coalition and will not allow the left to overthrow the Prime Minister, but we will not sit in a government that makes such immoral agreements. We will remind the Likud that, even before October 7, the Otzma Yehudit faction came out against the 'Gaza conception policy'" (of appeasing Hamas). "Unfortunately, we were right then, we were right in many other cases, and I hope we are wrong this time."
The agreement stipulates that in phase two of the deal, which would take place after 50 days, Israel will make a full withdrawal from the Philadelphi Corridor. The agreement also stipulates that the temporary cease-fire will continue as long as negotiations on the second phase continue, which will begin on the 16th day of the first phase - and the mediators are committed to working within its framework to continue the negotiations. This clause calls into question the continued presence in Philadelphi if the negotiations on the second phase drag on beyond the first phase, and the U.S. under Trump may force Israel to continue participating in the talks.
The big question is whether incoming President Donald Trump, who has put a lot of pressure on Hamas and Netanyahu in recent weeks in an attempt to reach a deal, will actually allow Israel to quickly return to fighting after the first phase. According to sources in Israel, Netanyahu has reached an understanding with the Trump administration that he will back Israel if it decides to return to fighting if Hamas violates the agreement. The problem is that it is not at all certain that in real time the president-elect will give Israel the green light to return to fighting the terrorist organization, after promising in his victory speech that he "ends wars, not starts them."
In a post he published Wednesday night on his social network Truth Social, Trump also signaled that he was moving toward a complete end to the war. He promised to work with Israel and U.S. allies to ensure that Gaza "NEVER again becomes a terrorist safe haven," and he also promised to expand the Abraham Accords, which he led at the end of his previous term, under which Israel signed a normalization agreement with the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Morocco.
"We will continue promoting PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH throughout the region, as we build upon the momentum of this ceasefire to further expand the Historic Abraham Accords. This is only the beginning of great things to come for America, and indeed, the World!" he wrote.

[Dan]

https://x.com/jconricus/status/1880361197897429037?s=19

[Chester7]

https://x.com/jconricus/status/1880361197897429037?s=19

Is he specifically referring to aid?

[Chuchum Ainer]

@ExGingi do you have any comment on the current deal and ceasefire?

[zalman2bis]

@ExGingi do you have any comment on the current deal and ceasefire?

Probably meant for the other thread

[zalman2bis]

Speaking to some friends lately, and the idea of shutting off electricity to Gaza, or even stopping basic aid, as a sure medium to cause Hamas to capitulate. Cause as soon as the Gazans stop supporting them, and turn against them, that's their end. (This solution also seems to be the Torah approach.)

This seems to be such a simple easy solution.

What's stopping Israel from doing this? The international outcry? It wouldn't work? The initial death toll till it works (which will probably be much less than the total is now)?

Wondering people's thoughts as to why a seemingly simple solution isn't being employed.

[Mf1]

The world will send them generators