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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14520 on: January 19, 2025, 03:07:05 PM »
Absolutely none of your theories or assertions are grounded in any kind of reality. There is nothing to even hint that there is a breaking point where the Gazans reject Hamas, and the way you completely discount Israel's reliance on the world and what world pressure would look like is completely disconnected from facts on the ground. This entire exercise is the same as saying carpet bomb Gaza.
While I appreciate those who took the time to respond, I don't see why you think your opinion is fact.
It happens to be that this idea I wrote about is coming from two Israeli friends.
"There is nothing to even hint there is a breaking point", what kind of hint does an army look for in an enemy to see if/when/ how they will be broken, and in the case of Gaza, they're not there?
And your assertion that Israel can no way stand up to world pressure. B"H I was raised differently, so I guess that outlook is very strong for you. Especially, when one believes in a higher Koach, facts on the ground (whatever you're referring to), are not as meaningful.
I'm not sure what people mean when they say "carpet bomb" Gaza. Do they mean kill everyone, or just destroy the buildings. The idea I suggested is not to kill everyone, or anyone. It is to make life miserable, until breaking point. Though in my mind, there will probably be a few hundred deaths until that happens.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14521 on: January 19, 2025, 03:10:35 PM »

And your assertion that Israel can no way stand up to world pressure. B"H I was raised differently, so I guess that outlook is very strong for you. Especially, when one believes in a higher Koach, facts on the ground (whatever you're referring to), are not as meaningful.


Explains a lot of your illusions here.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14522 on: January 19, 2025, 03:36:25 PM »


All of this is based on hashkafa I also believe in. However, the Israeli government does not think like you or I, and therefore I base my assessment on the realities of how they operate and have operated for the last 70 years. Can your way work? Sure. Is it in any way realistic? Not even a little. If the Rebbe couldn't get them to change their MO, it ain't gonna happen. So this whole thought exercise is just a waste of time.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14523 on: January 20, 2025, 12:33:02 AM »
This entire exercise is the same as saying carpet bomb Gaza.
Carpet bombing would achieve more and quicker, actually, if you want to be technical. ;)

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14524 on: January 20, 2025, 12:36:33 AM »
Carpet bombing would achieve more and quicker, actually, if you want to be technical. ;)

Along with harsher consequences, both in fatalities and in repercussions from the world. It's the same mental exercise,  except he's drawn the line a little closer because that's more humane to him. Either way, Israel's line is much closer than either of those things.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14525 on: January 20, 2025, 12:37:11 AM »
Carpet bombing would achieve more and quicker, actually, if you want to be technical. ;)

That's his point, once we fantasize already just do it all the way and the best way.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14526 on: January 21, 2025, 08:32:34 AM »
Herzi Halevi resigns. Finally…

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14527 on: January 21, 2025, 08:43:20 AM »
Herzi Halevi resigns. Finally…
Now the watch starts to see where he will land...
Golden parachute in some government authority or company?
Will he have the azus to try politics when his mandatory cool down period is over?

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14528 on: January 21, 2025, 08:50:56 AM »
Herzi Halevi resigns. Finally…
Now Yaron Finkleman, southern sector commander, too.
Hopefully it's contagious.

Its going to be interesting how history will look on these officers.
They presided over the greatest security failure in the history of the country.
But they also presided over some of the most difficult and technically complicated fighting in the history of the country in the year and a half since then...

BTW We've all prob forgotten - Halevi grew up frum, still goes to shul on Shabbos and is a great nephew of Rav AY Kook.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14529 on: January 21, 2025, 10:59:21 AM »

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14530 on: January 21, 2025, 11:03:45 AM »

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14531 on: January 21, 2025, 11:05:00 AM »
Now the watch starts to see where he will land...
Golden parachute in some government authority or company?
Will he have the azus to try politics when his mandatory cool down period is over?
He could always join Bennet's party...

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14532 on: January 21, 2025, 11:44:09 AM »
Ofir Winter would be a great pick.
For some reason all the righties are in love with him. Is that just because hes frum kipa wearing? Or is there something else there too?

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14533 on: January 21, 2025, 11:45:07 AM »
For some reason all the righties are in love with him. Is that just because hes frum kipa wearing? Or is there something else there too?
The army hates him. That's enough of a reason to assume hes good...

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14534 on: January 21, 2025, 12:01:09 PM »
For some reason all the righties are in love with him. Is that just because hes frum kipa wearing? Or is there something else there too?

mostly his winning attitude boosting morale see for ex. https://www.jewishpress.com/news/politics/brigadier-general-ret-on-chief-halevis-war-hamas-is-an-enemy-theyre-a-bunch-of-dilapidated-palestinians/2024/06/05/

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14535 on: January 21, 2025, 12:29:04 PM »
The breaking point for the world to force Israel to let go of your "besiege and make life miserable" plan is much closer than the breaking point where Gazans turn around and revolt against Hamas.

I guess the world is less brainwashed than Gazan civilians.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14536 on: January 21, 2025, 12:30:38 PM »
Ah so starve the population until some begin starving to death. Got it.

Yes and no. Cosmetics, cigarettes, candy, spices etc. entering Gaza is comofrt/misery, not live/death.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14537 on: January 21, 2025, 02:04:12 PM »
Yes and no. Cosmetics, cigarettes, candy, spices etc. entering Gaza is comofrt/misery, not live/death.
I was responding to his comments of a few deaths, but either way do you think these things are going to get them to get rid of Hamas
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14538 on: January 21, 2025, 02:34:18 PM »
these things are going to get them to get rid of Hamas

I think giving these creature comforts to the enemy during wartime is retarded. It's definitely a factor, hard to quantify how significant it is.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14539 on: January 21, 2025, 03:32:45 PM »
I've become convinced the only way to solve the issue with Gaza is to introduce birth control into the local water supply. It's a 20 year plan, but it solves a host of issues.
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