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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14600 on: February 04, 2025, 11:18:18 PM »
https://x.com/emilyfjacobs/status/1886954426398577022

On a serious note, I'm having trouble understanding this.

Did Trump actually say "permanently"?

Who is going to take them?

What trouble will they stir if you unleash 1.6 million radical Islamists who have been cuddled all their lives and never had to take responsibility for their actions (all to "get the Jew") and are trained to blame everyone else for their problems and actions? Although, 7% of Gazans travel out of Gaza every year, so the risk is there somewhat already now.

Will Israel hand over the land to America? What happens when a new US administration comes along? Will they give it over to the "Palestinians" for yet another terror state of their own? Who is guaranteeing that this doesn't end up being a Trojan horse (albeit unintentionally)?

I do appreciate the willingness to try something different and not just accept to continue to have this most funded population in history sit and plot to destroy people.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14601 on: February 04, 2025, 11:27:49 PM »
It's about moving the goalposts. Basic bargaining technique.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14602 on: February 04, 2025, 11:30:19 PM »
It's about moving the goalposts. Basic bargaining technique.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14605 on: February 05, 2025, 12:24:32 AM »
Did Trump actually say "permanently"?

He was asked about this and said they’d be given nice homes elsewhere and he’s not sure why they’d even wanna comes back, he also said it would take many years to rebuild, he might have even specified 12-15 years.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14606 on: February 05, 2025, 12:27:34 AM »
He was asked about this and said they’d be given nice homes elsewhere and he’s not sure why they’d even wanna comes back, he also said it would take many years to rebuild, he might have even specified 12-15 years.
Then he didn't really say it. So what's the point of investing all that effort when there are no guarantees that they won't be back. Unless he plans on importing so much other nationalities that won't allow them to destroy Gaza in order to wage war against Israel again.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14607 on: February 05, 2025, 01:27:27 AM »
Their propensity for trouble in wherever they are delivered is a secondary problem.
The main issue is that since 1948 the entire regional arab 'ummah' has been ensuring that they remain 'refugees' (see UNRWA) so that they can be used to cudgel IL into disappearance, as Islam/Jihad by definition cannot give up on destroying the existence of a foreign/jewish soverign in the area. (Also part of why in all negotiations they will never surrender the 'right of return').
This is why Trump discussing this is so 'Yuge', as it is the only solution in 60 years that addresses the core issue. It is also why there's now so much noise against (even voluntary) 'Ethnic Cleansing', and of course these countries (especially the local ones) will not roll over easily on this, will fight tooth and nail to not take part in this ultimate final loss

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14608 on: February 05, 2025, 06:47:44 AM »
Their propensity for trouble in wherever they are delivered is a secondary problem.
The main issue is that since 1948 the entire regional arab 'ummah' has been ensuring that they remain 'refugees' (see UNRWA) so that they can be used to cudgel IL into disappearance, as Islam/Jihad by definition cannot give up on destroying the existence of a foreign/jewish soverign in the area. (Also part of why in all negotiations they will never surrender the 'right of return').
This is why Trump discussing this is so 'Yuge', as it is the only solution in 60 years that addresses the core issue. It is also why there's now so much noise against (even voluntary) 'Ethnic Cleansing', and of course these countries (especially the local ones) will not roll over easily on this, will fight tooth and nail to not take part in this ultimate final loss

IMHO Trump sees MBS as a key partner in this.

He is an Arab leader that has shown willingness to not only think out of the box, but act out of the box for radical changes. The events that have been taking place in the KSA in very recent years would have been unthinkable just a decade ago. He doesn't shy away from grandiose projects (Neom being probably the best known globally, but there are more such as an over sea bridge to Egypt).

Al-Sisi also likes grandiose plans. He is building (mostly built already IINM) a new capital city for Egypt.

And both of those leaders want the US security backing so they can prosper in peace rather than have to be concerned about defense (they would love to get rid not only of the Houthis and Iran, but also of the Ihwan, as the Muslim Brotherhood is known in the region). To that end it isn't beyond reason to believe that metropolis (or several) might be built in currently unpoplated areas, where not only modern housing will be built, but also industrial and educational complexes (where education will be devoid of Political Islamism).

As for the Gaza Strip, I can see Trump envisioning some type of tax and business and vacation haven (Puerto Rico currently has tax benefits, so it wouldn't be a first) modeled after the Dubai.

As for the "Palestinians" they will eventually lose their manufactured "Palestinian" identity, and move on in life (except for those that prefer martyrdom, who will get what they wish for under authoritarian regimes).
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14609 on: February 05, 2025, 06:52:09 AM »
And on a lighter note:

I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14610 on: February 05, 2025, 08:14:38 AM »
I hope y'all didn't miss the gift Netanyahu brought for Trump...

A guilded (or golden, though I doubt it) pager...

(I've seen an opinion piece saying that the pager operation played a major role in Trump's decision to go all in with Netanyahu).

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-netanyahu-gifted-trump-a-golden-pager-us-president-that-was-a-great-operation/

https://x.com/amichaistein1/status/1887089867898630585
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« Reply #14611 on: February 05, 2025, 08:29:01 AM »
(I've seen an opinion piece saying that the pager operation played a major role in Trump's decision to go all in with Netanyahu).
Makes sense.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14613 on: February 05, 2025, 08:41:15 AM »
Who's in for some real estate investments?

https://x.com/yonatnwer/status/1887123068738302321
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14614 on: February 05, 2025, 08:46:22 AM »
I hope y'all didn't miss the gift Netanyahu brought for Trump...

A guilded (or golden, though I doubt it) pager...
You just know the secret service went through it with a fine-tooth comb. ;D

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14615 on: February 05, 2025, 08:54:07 AM »
It's about moving the goalposts. Basic bargaining technique.
Art of the deal 101
https://x.com/joelpollak/status/1887027609445523756
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1887027609445523756.html
A brief, politically incorrect thread on why Trump’s proposal for Gaza makes sense. It’s a provocative way to push the Arab world to take responsibility for the Palestinians, rather than the failed approach of placing the entire burden on Israel and the U.S. to compromise. (1/4)
In the early hours after the October 7 attack, many Israelis and supporters of Israel said bellicose things aimed at restoring a sense that there was some kind of deterrent against the genocidal aims of Hamas, when the military deterrent had (for a moment) clearly faltered. (2/4)
In every existential conflict, only mutually assured destruction deters each side from aggression and encourages compromise. Israel’s threat to Hamas — thanks to Biden, and global pressure, and the hostages — was not seen as credible, even as Israel crushed Hamas in battle. (3/4)
Trump has made a credible threat Israel could not, albeit dressed in positive terms of prosperity and beautiful homes. He is talking about ending the Palestinian presence in Gaza. The Arab world is taking him seriously enough to reject it firmly. But they’ll do more. Watch. (4/4)

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14616 on: February 05, 2025, 09:01:16 AM »
Art of the deal 101
Bingo.

Once you learn to look at Trumps actions through the lens of negotiations... everything he does makes more sense.
It's all about creating or increasing leverage.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14617 on: February 05, 2025, 09:54:15 AM »
I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but around 2100 years ago there was a treaty made with Rome by the "Maccabees" and it basically gave Rome a foothold in EY and eventually turned into the Churban Bayis. The USA should not be given a piece of land in the Middle East, no matter what. In another 4 years the President can be some crazy left, progressive psychopath.

Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman%E2%80%93Jewish_Treaty and here: https://aish.com/48942121/
"... The treaty's relevance came to an end with the Hasmonean civil war between Aristobulus II and Hyrcanus II. Both feuding brothers appealed to Roman general Pompey. Pompey was then in the region after participating in the Third Mithridatic War, defeating King Tigranes of Armenia, and subjugating the remnant Seleucids in Antioch. Pompey seems to have been informed about the long-standing alliance, and even allowed some of its provision to influence the eventual settlement. Regardless, the outcome surely soured most Jews on Rome, previously a distant if powerful friend, but now overlord. The Hasmoneans reduced to client king status, still managing internal affairs, but their political independence shattered."

"The brothers are fighting with each other as to who should be king. The obvious answer is neither. But tell that to morally corrupt, power hungry men. They hit on the idea of asking Rome to mediate in their dispute. (The relationship between the Jews and the Romans actually began during the Maccabian Revolt when Judah Maccabee made an alliance with Rome)

Inviting the Romans in is not like inviting a multi-national peace-keeping force or international mediation team. We're talking about people with an incredible energy to conquer and gain all the territory they can.

The year is 63 BCE and the great Roman general Pompeii is cleaning up the last of the Greek Empire. He is more than happy to oblige and move his armies into Israel
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14618 on: February 05, 2025, 10:58:00 AM »
I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but around 2100 years ago there was a treaty made with Rome by the "Maccabees" and it basically gave Rome a foothold in EY and eventually turned into the Churban Bayis. The USA should not be given a piece of land in the Middle East, no matter what. In another 4 years the President can be some crazy left, progressive psychopath.


From all the ppl you're the one concerned that the US will take over the country from the Zionists ::)

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« Reply #14619 on: February 05, 2025, 11:24:54 AM »
From all the ppl you're the one concerned that the US will take over the country from the Zionists ::)
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