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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14620 on: February 05, 2025, 11:28:27 AM »
Edom=USA=Eisav=Soneh
Yishmael=Iran=Oyev=Arabs
Zionists=Erev Rav=Our internal enemy

Yes, we have enemies within and also outside. We have to protect ourselves from all of them. All we have is Hashem to protect us.

All you're missing is the Illuminati.

So who should be running the country(ies) situated where EY is?
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14621 on: February 05, 2025, 11:33:26 AM »
From all the ppl you're the one concerned that the US will take over the country from the Zionists ::)

Don't know about him, but for years a fundimental part of Israeli policy has been not to agree to allowing international players to have troops on the ground within the borders of Israel. (not "peacekeepers" along the borders, which its has agreed to, with very poor results)
The single exception is the TIPIH, which has pretty much been a disaster.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14622 on: February 05, 2025, 11:37:56 AM »
All you're missing is the Illuminati.

So who should be running the country(ies) situated where EY is?
Mashiach? Sounds good to me...

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14623 on: February 05, 2025, 11:38:36 AM »
Then he didn't really say it. So what's the point of investing all that effort when there are no guarantees that they won't be back. Unless he plans on importing so much other nationalities that won't allow them to destroy Gaza in order to wage war against Israel again.

Getting them to leave is a good first start. As long as there aren’t any assurances to the contrary, Israel can figure out how to keep them out (it has to want that though, but if it doesn’t that’s not Trump’s fault).
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14624 on: February 05, 2025, 11:39:57 AM »
Don't know about him, but for years a fundimental part of Israeli policy has been not to agree to allowing international players to have troops on the ground within the borders of Israel. (not "peacekeepers" along the borders, which its has agreed to, with very poor results)
The single exception is the TIPIH, which has pretty much been a disaster.

Didn't see anything about US troops, though that may have been implied.
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« Reply #14625 on: February 05, 2025, 11:40:51 AM »
Mashiach? Sounds good to me...

Sounds amazing. What does that have to do with Zionists collaborating with the US?
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14626 on: February 05, 2025, 11:48:33 AM »
Didn't see anything about US troops, though that may have been implied.

Exactly how else is he gona clear it all out?

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14627 on: February 05, 2025, 11:52:07 AM »
Here's an article I found from the future, Chas VeShalom.

U.S. Troops Enter Gaza in Unprecedented Military Operation: A New Era of Power Struggles?

By John H. Carter, Middle East Correspondent | February 5, 2028

Gaza City, Gaza Strip — In a shocking turn of events, the United States has deployed thousands of troops to the Gaza Strip in what is being called a "humanitarian intervention" that has sent ripples of concern throughout the Middle East. The operation, which began in late 2027, was initially framed as a peacekeeping mission designed to stabilize the region following a series of devastating attacks on Israeli soil. However, as the weeks go by, many experts are beginning to question whether the U.S. has broader objectives in mind.

The U.S. military presence in Gaza, initially described as part of a strategic effort to contain Iranian influence in the region, is raising alarm among Israeli leaders and the broader international community. Despite initial support for American intervention in the wake of the violent rocket attacks launched by Palestinian militants and Iranian-backed forces in late 2027, many now fear that the situation could spiral into a new chapter of geopolitical conflict.

U.S. Military Establishes Strategic Bases
At the heart of the operation is the establishment of fortified American military bases throughout Gaza. U.S. forces have set up sophisticated air defense systems, advanced surveillance networks, and a significant ground presence in key strategic locations within the territory. These bases, according to Pentagon sources, are meant to create a buffer zone between Israeli forces and Palestinian militants, but experts are questioning if the presence is more about asserting dominance than achieving lasting peace.

A senior military official, speaking anonymously, stated, “Our mission is to stabilize the region, protect civilian lives, and ensure the safety of Israeli citizens. But as events unfold, our forces may be in place for much longer than anticipated.”

A Shift in Power?
The sudden and significant U.S. military presence has caused considerable unease in Jerusalem. Israeli officials, who initially welcomed the U.S. involvement, are now privately expressing concerns that Washington’s growing influence in Gaza could lead to a shift in the balance of power between the two nations.

“I don’t think we expected this,” said an Israeli government official, who wished to remain unnamed. “Gaza was always a flashpoint, but now with U.S. troops here, it feels like our sovereignty is being encroached upon. The American military is far too close to our borders for comfort.”

Israeli Prime Minister Reuven Levy, in a tense public address last week, reiterated Israel’s commitment to maintaining its security but stopped short of criticizing the U.S. “We remain grateful to our American allies, but we are also keenly aware of the complexities that this situation presents. We must ensure that no one—friend or foe—has the ability to undermine our security.”

A Tightening Grip on Gaza
The U.S. military operation, officially called "Operation Secure Horizon," was launched in response to a deadly Iranian-backed attack on an Israeli city near the Gaza border. Over the course of several months, tensions between Israeli and Palestinian forces escalated, culminating in the deadliest skirmishes in years. In a rare statement, U.S. President Michael Clark condemned the attacks but also called for an “international effort to calm the flames of war.”

However, as U.S. military personnel began to patrol the streets of Gaza, the lines between peacekeeping and military occupation began to blur. Humanitarian aid, which had been a central justification for the operation, is now being overshadowed by a stark military presence. American troops are not just providing supplies—they are conducting security operations in Gaza’s densely populated urban areas, routinely engaging with local groups and overseeing reconstruction efforts.

A high-ranking U.S. commander, General William D. Harris, addressed the growing concerns, saying, “Our goal is to create an environment where peaceful negotiations can happen. Our presence is a stabilizing force, and we have no interest in staying longer than absolutely necessary.”

But locals and analysts alike are not convinced. “There is a sense of fear that this is no longer about peace,” said Dr. Hanan al-Khatib, a Gaza-based political analyst. “This is about control. The U.S. is flexing its muscle in Gaza, and it's clear that Israel is the ultimate target in this game of chess.”

Israel’s Response: Rising Tensions
In recent weeks, Israel has begun to express growing frustration with the American presence. While the Israeli military has continued to focus on defending its borders and eliminating terrorist cells within Gaza, Israeli leaders have begun questioning the true nature of Washington’s intentions.

The United States has already implemented a no-fly zone over Gaza, restricting Israel's air operations in the region. American forces have conducted joint military exercises with Palestinian forces, further deepening Israel’s sense of unease. While the Biden administration maintains that these actions are intended to preserve peace, Israel fears the long-term implications of U.S. dominance in Gaza.

"We need to secure our borders," said Israeli Defense Minister Yaara Cohen in a recent interview. "The U.S. is a valuable ally, but when their soldiers are patrolling the streets of Gaza, the situation becomes far more complicated."

The Unthinkable: U.S. Moves Into Israel
In an unprecedented escalation, American forces crossed the border into Israeli territory in late January 2028. The move, described by U.S. officials as part of a “peacekeeping effort,” quickly sparked outrage in Israel. The U.S. Department of Defense issued a statement saying that American troops were now in Israel to "ensure the protection of both Israeli and Palestinian civilians" and to prevent any further escalation between the two sides.

The invasion, which was described as “a last resort,” marked a turning point in U.S.-Israel relations. It was framed as an attempt to prevent what the U.S. called an imminent collapse of the ceasefire in Gaza. “Our priority is ensuring the stability of the region,” said President Clark in a televised address. “This is about preventing further bloodshed, both in Gaza and in Israel.”

However, the move has sparked widespread protests in Israel, with citizens questioning why American forces were given free rein to enter their country. Thousands took to the streets of Tel Aviv, demanding the withdrawal of U.S. troops and calling for the Israeli government to regain full control over its borders.

Prime Minister Levy, speaking to the nation in an emergency address, stated, “We have always counted on the United States as a vital ally, but we cannot allow anyone—no matter how close— to dictate the terms of our sovereignty. We will not accept foreign troops on Israeli soil, no matter the circumstances.”

Global Reactions: A Powder Keg
The invasion of Israel by U.S. forces has shaken the global community to its core. Allies and adversaries alike are closely watching as the situation teeters on the brink of full-scale conflict. Russian and Chinese officials have expressed concern over the growing U.S. military presence in the Middle East, with Russian President Vladimir Putin calling it “an act of aggression.”

Back in the U.S., President Clark is facing intense political pressure. The invasion of Israel has divided the nation, with critics accusing the administration of overreach and jeopardizing one of America’s closest allies. “We need to tread carefully,” said former U.S. Secretary of State Alexander Simmons. “Intervention may have been justified in Gaza, but we risk turning a regional conflict into a global confrontation.”

As American troops take up positions inside Israel, tensions continue to rise. For now, the world watches with bated breath, wondering if this is the beginning of a new chapter in the Middle East—a chapter where the line between peacekeeping and occupation is all but erased.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14628 on: February 05, 2025, 12:02:01 PM »
Here's an article I found from the future, Chas VeShalom.

Lol! I'll admit I didn't read the whole thing, but I think the gist of it is the US takes over Israel. This is where my anti-Zionism and yours may differ. I don't care if the US takes over. Ad biyas Moshiach, as long as the caretaker government lets us live as Jews, it doesn't matter to me who is in charge. Do we have any more control with a Zionist government vs a non-Jewish one? God runs the world.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14629 on: February 05, 2025, 12:05:25 PM »
Is the Biden in there on purpose?
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14630 on: February 05, 2025, 12:08:12 PM »
Lol! I'll admit I didn't read the whole thing, but I think the gist of it is the US takes over Israel. This is where my anti-Zionism and yours may differ. I don't care if the US takes over. Ad biyas Moshiach, as long as the caretaker government lets us live as Jews, it doesn't matter to me who is in charge. Do we have any more control with a Zionist government vs a non-Jewish one? God runs the world.
Zionists are not letting us live as Jews. But a US force that invades Israel would be fighting Zionist terrorists and the Jews living in EY would suffer terribly. Just like by the Churban Bayis. This is basic Jewish History. You can look it up yourself. You even say an extra Bracha by Bentching because of the massacre to the Beitar Jews by the Romans...

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14631 on: February 05, 2025, 12:12:07 PM »
Edom=USA=Eisav=Soneh
Yishmael=Iran=Oyev=Arabs
Zionists=Erev Rav=Our internal enemy

Yes, we have enemies within and also outside. We have to protect ourselves from all of them. All we have is Hashem to protect us.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14632 on: February 05, 2025, 12:14:02 PM »
I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble


Whose bubble do you think you're bursting?

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14633 on: February 05, 2025, 12:14:11 PM »
From all the ppl you're the one concerned that the US will take over the country from the Zionists ::)
Let's not live in a box, for many years it was the opposite, the Muslims were the nicest people and the Christians did worse then the Muslims are doing today, (I'm not referring the the holocaust, even though that can be another example)

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« Reply #14634 on: February 05, 2025, 12:17:07 PM »
Let's not live in a box, for many years it was the opposite, the Muslims were the nicest people and the Christians did worse then the Muslims are doing today, (I'm not referring the the holocaust, even though that can be another example)
Let's not live in a box

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« Reply #14635 on: February 05, 2025, 12:17:30 PM »
Zionists are not letting us live as Jews. But a US force that invades Israel would be fighting Zionist terrorists and the Jews living in EY would suffer terribly. Just like by the Churban Bayis. This is basic Jewish History. You can look it up yourself. You even say an extra Bracha by Bentching because of the massacre to the Beitar Jews by the Romans...

And in your opinion, a US force is more likely to invade Israel and kill Jews if they have a territory in what's now the Gaza Strip? If the US wants Israel, they don't need a base in Gaza to take it.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14636 on: February 05, 2025, 12:19:34 PM »
Zionists are not letting us live as Jews.
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« Reply #14637 on: February 05, 2025, 12:34:00 PM »

Yes, I wrote that too extreme, but the point still stands

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14638 on: February 05, 2025, 12:38:39 PM »
I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but around 2100 years ago there was a treaty made with Rome by the "Maccabees" and it basically gave Rome a foothold in EY and eventually turned into the Churban Bayis. The USA should not be given a piece of land in the Middle East, no matter what. In another 4 years the President can be some crazy left, progressive psychopath.

Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman%E2%80%93Jewish_Treaty and here: https://aish.com/48942121/
"... The treaty's relevance came to an end with the Hasmonean civil war between Aristobulus II and Hyrcanus II. Both feuding brothers appealed to Roman general Pompey. Pompey was then in the region after participating in the Third Mithridatic War, defeating King Tigranes of Armenia, and subjugating the remnant Seleucids in Antioch. Pompey seems to have been informed about the long-standing alliance, and even allowed some of its provision to influence the eventual settlement. Regardless, the outcome surely soured most Jews on Rome, previously a distant if powerful friend, but now overlord. The Hasmoneans reduced to client king status, still managing internal affairs, but their political independence shattered."

"The brothers are fighting with each other as to who should be king. The obvious answer is neither. But tell that to morally corrupt, power hungry men. They hit on the idea of asking Rome to mediate in their dispute. (The relationship between the Jews and the Romans actually began during the Maccabian Revolt when Judah Maccabee made an alliance with Rome)

Inviting the Romans in is not like inviting a multi-national peace-keeping force or international mediation team. We're talking about people with an incredible energy to conquer and gain all the territory they can.

The year is 63 BCE and the great Roman general Pompeii is cleaning up the last of the Greek Empire. He is more than happy to oblige and move his armies into Israel
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One big difference here is who they would be replacing. Under the Chashmonaim they were brought in over an internal fight. Bringing in outsiders over an internal fight has been tried constantly including in recent years and has rarely ended well.
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« Reply #14639 on: February 05, 2025, 12:49:12 PM »
Yes, I wrote that too extreme, but the point still stands
That sometimes Christians were more murderous than Muslims, and sometimes Muslims were?