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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14840 on: February 28, 2025, 01:08:17 PM »
They have to talk this way to get the terrorists to negotiate
"you better negotiate or we will fight you while proving aid?!"  :-\

better would be we will flatten gaza period. aka 'all hell will break loose'

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14841 on: February 28, 2025, 03:11:28 PM »
none of us are in your head.
And asserting that things are senseless on the power of the fact that they are so in your head, has 0 persuasive value.

I am not trying to persuade.

I see the entire piece as a bunch of BS. If a specific item seems true, accurate, or persuasive in the article you are welcome to point it out and I will respond.
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14842 on: March 01, 2025, 09:26:46 PM »
Bingo. The world MSM is sickening in the lengths they go to propagandize for terrorists (and this is a mild example):

https://x.com/ighaworth/status/1895847103441834361

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14843 on: March 01, 2025, 09:29:28 PM »
Bingo. The world MSM is sickening in the lengths they go to propagandize for terrorists (and this is a mild example):

https://x.com/ighaworth/status/1895847103441834361
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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14844 on: March 02, 2025, 12:52:49 AM »
Do you want to explain the BS of the first two paragraphs? Care to list some of the additional lies and BS excuses?
Start with this thread.
https://x.com/danielbachmat/status/1895449093985685830?s=46

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14845 on: March 02, 2025, 01:07:45 AM »
Start with this thread.
You also subscribe to the "here's your homework" style of debate?

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14846 on: March 02, 2025, 11:09:01 AM »
You also subscribe to the "here's your homework" style of debate?
Not really, just he made many of the same points I was thinking of writing, much more eloquently then I could ever can.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14848 on: March 02, 2025, 08:22:16 PM »
No one says it the way Mossab says it... Interesting (and entertaining) viewpoint of the path forward:

https://x.com/CherylWroteIt/status/1896273485682360403

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14849 on: March 02, 2025, 09:42:01 PM »
No one says it the way Mossab says it... Interesting (and entertaining) viewpoint of the path forward
How is this guy still alive???

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14850 on: March 03, 2025, 07:11:15 AM »
STABBING TERROR IN HAIFA
1 DEAD
4 Injured

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14851 on: March 03, 2025, 04:40:22 PM »
STABBING TERROR IN HAIFA
1 DEAD
4 Injured
Seems like the victim was an Israeli Arab and the attacker was a Druze from Germany (probably radicalized there) and the Druze community in Israel disavowed any ties to him.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14852 on: March 03, 2025, 05:42:06 PM »
Seems like the victim was an Israeli Arab and the attacker was a Druze from Germany (probably radicalized there) and the Druze community in Israel disavowed any ties to him.
An Islamist group is sending a Druze to kill Jews. He ends up killing a Muslim elderly and being eliminated by a fellow Druze.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14854 on: March 06, 2025, 11:49:18 AM »
https://x.com/SpencerGuard/status/1897479946769195375
Here's the full tweet for those without access.
I strongly disagree with any positions that says the IDF tried military force to destroy Hamas, failed, and if they try again they would continue to fail. This completely lacks context of what occurred over the last 16 months or the context of March 2025. 1) Thanks to Arab nations, especially Egypt, the IDF was forced to fight battles against Hamas with civilians within the operating environment, moving them area by area or into expanded humanitarian zones rather than completely out of the operating environment such as into an IDP camp in the Sinai. Hamas used the population and hostages as human shields and created safe havens in Gaza where the IDF did not even go once. 2) The IDF was politically constrained and threatened by nations like the U.S. to not send weapons or to not protect Israel if attacked during many phases from to not to go into Rafah for months, demanding civilian casualties be reduced to zero, demanding bombing of military targets be reduced because of perceptions, demanding halts in operations beyond daily 4 plus hour pauses because of humanitarian concerns based unverified data, to even use less amounts of forces in the beginning of the war and then later in Rafah. 3) The IDF were constrained on force power by having to split its forces and supplies to Northern Israel as Hezbollah attacked and threatened large scale ground attack, add Houthis attacking, Iran attacking, Shiite backed groups of Iraq. If the IDF restarts operations against Hamas, they will have more political support from the U.S., there is a strong possibility of moving civilians completely out of harms way, there is a possible call up of greater IDF forces than were used the entire war in Gaza so far, new leadership, resupplies of weapons, more support for the defense of Israel against attack, battle trained IDF forces. Hamas is also not the Hamas of October 2023 - February 2024 with 5 brigades, 24 battalions, 20,000 rockets, fully stocked units, decades of experienced leaders, trained forces, defensive positions. It is now an trained, poorly led, guerrilla forces equipped with small to medium weapons, improvised explosives, unable to form large units for attack and defense. Yes, the IDF would have to approach the war differently, They would have to actually seize and clear terrain, not the raiding in and out they have done for most of the war. It was not until the later months of 2024 did the IDF conduct methodical clearing in Northern Gaza for instance. Then, they would have to hold areas to prevent Hamas rebuilding even as guerrilla forces as seen in the last 16 months. In summary, yes Hamas can absolutely be defeated with military force and everything is different.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14855 on: March 06, 2025, 03:02:26 PM »
Here's the full tweet for those without access.

I strongly disagree with any positions that says the IDF tried military force to destroy Hamas, failed, and if they try again they would continue to fail. This completely lacks context of what occurred over the last 16 months or the context of March 2025.

 1) Thanks to Arab nations, especially Egypt, the IDF was forced to fight battles against Hamas with civilians within the operating environment, moving them area by area or into expanded humanitarian zones rather than completely out of the operating environment such as into an IDP camp in the Sinai. Hamas used the population and hostages as human shields and created safe havens in Gaza where the IDF did not even go once.

 2) The IDF was politically constrained and threatened by nations like the U.S. to not send weapons or to not protect Israel if attacked during many phases from to not to go into Rafah for months, demanding civilian casualties be reduced to zero, demanding bombing of military targets be reduced because of perceptions, demanding halts in operations beyond daily 4 plus hour pauses because of humanitarian concerns based unverified data, to even use less amounts of forces in the beginning of the war and then later in Rafah.

3) The IDF were constrained on force power by having to split its forces and supplies to Northern Israel as Hezbollah attacked and threatened large scale ground attack, add Houthis attacking, Iran attacking, Shiite backed groups of Iraq.

If the IDF restarts operations against Hamas, they will have more political support from the U.S., there is a strong possibility of moving civilians completely out of harms way, there is a possible call up of greater IDF forces than were used the entire war in Gaza so far, new leadership, resupplies of weapons, more support for the defense of Israel against attack, battle trained IDF forces.

Hamas is also not the Hamas of October 2023 - February 2024 with 5 brigades, 24 battalions, 20,000 rockets, fully stocked units, decades of experienced leaders, trained forces, defensive positions. It is now an trained, poorly led, guerrilla forces equipped with small to medium weapons, improvised explosives, unable to form large units for attack and defense. Yes, the IDF would have to approach the war differently, They would have to actually seize and clear terrain, not the raiding in and out they have done for most of the war. It was not until the later months of 2024 did the IDF conduct methodical clearing in Northern Gaza for instance. Then, they would have to hold areas to prevent Hamas rebuilding even as guerrilla forces as seen in the last 16 months.

In summary, yes Hamas can absolutely be defeated with military force and everything is different.

Thanks! (that's how it's done the right way ;) )

On part 1 about civilians being embedded within the war zone, and anticipates them to be moved out of harms way the next time they enter, what does he have in mind when suggesting that? Will Egypt allow the misplaced to establish camp in the Sinai?? I don't think so. Is he referring to Trump's grandiose plan of relocating Gazans out of Gaza? That's seem like a too far fetched dream at this point. The only difference might be with Trump not making a fuss about civilian casualties, thus making their human shield less effective. 

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14856 on: March 06, 2025, 07:07:48 PM »
Thanks! (that's how it's done the right way ;) )
Why isn't the tweet 'the right way'?

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14857 on: March 06, 2025, 07:23:49 PM »
Why isn't the tweet 'the right way'?

Right way of copy/pasting that tweet, with separate paragraphs.

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Re: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #14859 on: March 09, 2025, 06:46:29 AM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-doctors-accuse-israel-of-shooting-gazan-kids-experts-see-need-for-a-second-opinion/
Basically a description of John Spencer's counterclaim to the accusation that the IDF targets Gaza kids. Al regel achas: You can't prove it wasn't Hamas because they also sport Israeli weapons. Fwiw.
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