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Author Topic: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread  (Read 1227986 times)

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2023, 12:47:39 PM »
So you trust these people to make the right decisions going forward? My point is based on their past performances they should be gone now.
I think Netanyahu has a very, very, good track record. Based on his 30 years or so of politics he has the experience to make the correct decisions.
What happened was an intelligence failure. Not a failure of the cabinet. Yes, they must take responsibility. But that can happen after the war is over.
As an aside, i believe that Netanyahu is asking Ganz to join him at this point. Ganz definitely has much experience as well and it would be good if he joined.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2023, 01:16:52 PM »
It definitely is a scary matziv. I davened outside shabbos morning and witnessed multiple iron dome missiles being deployed. (Also in Ramat Eshkol, Yerushalaim.) Hakafos were shortened due to the matzov and tehilim and acheinu were said/sung during hakafos. Please daven for acheinu bnei yisroel!

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2023, 01:20:26 PM »
I walk out at 8 AM. BOOM! loudest explosion I ever heard. Police sirens. Military presence. something is off. I walk to Shul. Air-raid siren goes off. Above, missiles streak through the sky. Hakafos in the bomb shelter. Some young gentleman hurry out of shul, a few min later they are dressed in army fatigues. A white pickup truck stops outside, they throw olive green rucksacks in the back and hop in. WE ARE AT WAR!

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2023, 01:30:59 PM »
At least 40 killed in unprecedented Hamas attack in Israel; prime minister says country is "at war"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-attack-hamas-unprecedented-rocket-invasion/
@Mods wrong thread. Belongs here

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2023, 01:46:25 PM »

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2023, 01:49:39 PM »
Like many others i have family visiting that are desperate to get back!

can we put together a charter flight? 

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2023, 02:00:05 PM »
What a despicable headline!
It is extremely hard to find a proper one.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2023, 02:06:02 PM »
US to send military ships, aircraft closer to Israel
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-to-send-military-ships-aircraft-closer-to-israel/ar-AA1hSPPV

US needs a massive presence there. Not only as a show of support but just in case if someone like Iran or anyone else gets any stupid ideas.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2023, 02:33:02 PM »
It is extremely hard to find a proper one.
How about "Terrorists murder over 600 Israeli civilians"??

If you're having a hard time finding the words to say, leave it to your gosh darn self.

Disgusting.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2023, 05:05:51 PM »
What's the best way out of here?
United will likely cancel my flight (on Thursday)
They can put me on Turkish airlines on Tuesday, but devide my family Tuesday/Wednesday. I'm not doing that.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2023, 05:13:04 PM »
This is the Poral Harbor of Israel.
If Israel doesn't respond with a powerful blow to Chamas, other groups may be copying (CH"V)
But a powerful blow can cause many more fatalities רחמ"ל.
It's a catch-22

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2023, 05:36:00 PM »
What's the best way out of here?
A bunch of people I know booked flights to Cyprus on Israeli airlines. (Arkia, Israir, El Al)

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2023, 06:10:23 PM »
At Least 260 Killed At Israeli Music Festival In Hamas Attack—Attendees Describe ‘Horror Movie’
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/at-least-260-killed-at-israeli-music-festival-in-hamas-attack-attendees-describe-horror-movie/ar-AA1hTjMk
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2023, 06:20:45 PM »
So I woke up for vasikkin...somehow. I walked from my house near Tachana Merkazit to my shvers shul on Sorotzkin - a bunch of the married kids come in for ST, and we all daven vasikin so as to be yotzei all the mitzvas hayom before we need to deal with bringing the kids to hakafos, and to be able to eat the seuda at a normal time ect...

At some point during hakafos someone mentioned that there had been an Azaka (air raid siren), which we thought was weird as we hadn't heard it, and usually the rockets to JLM come on the second or third day of shooting... We continued on, and in middle of Chosson Torah we all heard an Azaka... We quickly decided that the Shul was our current "Hachi Mugan SheYesh" - most protected available place and so we stayed in place, finished off the kriya quickly, Geshem, Musaf...heard atleast 4 more azakot along the way plus a car fom MDA announcing something...(either stay off the streets or come donat blood...I'm not sure at this point) we all scattered home as quickly as possible... I first asked the Rav if there was any reason to davka take my 4 year old hakafa hopping, and was told: No, stay home.
I planned my route home so I would be close to open buildings the whole time... I first helped my brother in law carry his stroller up the steps to Petach Tikva, instead of the easier, but much longer ramp, so he would get under cover faster.
While walking along Petach Tikva, I got my first idea of the severity of the situation. One of the long time residents had at least some news. I don't know if she's "traditional" so would check her phone anyway on shabbos, or if a relative of hers got called up, so she knew that way. Her summary was "Hadarom Al Galgalim" "Kol Hadarom Aish", with the first details of invasion, 14 conquered yishuvim,. hundreds dead...
By kikar Harimonim I saw my first person in madim. On Harikma, I saw someone drive up bringing a soldiers backpack to him in Adi, and him changing to report.
I stopped at the chassidishe shul a couple of buildings away from my house to ask them when they would be having Kol Haneorim... but they were in middle of krias shema, so i went home.
At home, I got a report of what had gone down on the homefront while I was away. They had heard all the azakot, and had gone into our hallway (hachi mugan sheyesh) Our building doesnt have a miklat or maamad, and honestly I havent the foggiest clue where the nearest one is. The neighbors came in for the all of them (after the first one where they ran to nearby buildings looking for a miklat). Shortly after I came home there was another azaka, so we went to the hallway andI saw how my wife just told my kids "now we're playing in the hallway"...
My wife is an EMT, so i heard what had been reported on their channels. They had first asked for all ambulance drivers to come and take ambulances southwards, and had later upgraded that to all available EMTS to come and get on ambulances to go south... So we knew the rumors must have some truth...
I made kidush and started my seuda at about 11:30. Just after washing I noticed a single soldier standing next to the enterance to tachana merkazi wearing "chareidi" style tzitis (wool with a black stripe) so I decided to go see if he needed anything... I bring a bottle of water bec its a hot day
I get there and he's a chabad boy from the US (I Think NY) shlomo zalman aharon ben rivka? somthing?... in tzanchanim. He says that he's just a couple of weeks from the end of training but his unit is essentialy combat ready...
I see that there a scores of dati soldiers waiting for busses, more coming busses leaving... I make my rounds offering from my bottle of water, come back with two large bottles, rinse repeat... Some of the boys have come straight from the middle of shacharis... At some point guys who brought some sort of food start to put it on the floor in the middle of the scrum of guys for anyone who needs. Other neighbors started to bring food, a neighbor brings his table from his sukka... other neighbors bring chlolent, kugels, challa, dips, grape juice, plates... Some chassidishe bachur, starts to do what chasidim do the best - make a matzav, hand out food,....
At some point I decide to go back to the shul to see when Kol hanearim might be. It's a realy chasidishe place (afiliated with ShomreiEmunim/TA/TAY style kanaus.  I get there and while I'm asking when Kol hanearim might be, mention to the rebbe that there are tons of frum soldiers that need krias hatorah...
I'm still coming back and forth with water... at some point my 4 and 2.5 year old start "helping to carry" the water...
They bring a ST from the shul, start krias hatorah - Thats where my kids heard Vzos habracha... The ST was there for close to 4 hours... with one of teh chasidim skipping all his hakafos to take care of it all...
At some point the new hotel at Yirmiyahu 33 sends over a wagon full of food - just as a massive group of guys who had been spending ST at Yeshivat Har Etzion in the gush arrive for their rides to base. They havent had much to eat yet and one says "you guys saved us. I meet someone from Tororto who says that he's only been in training for two months... but everyone in the army got called up... They noticed that the security  of the yishuv was on high alert, asked a shayla and one bachur was told to check his phone. Once they got the info from his phone the psak was everyone should carry their phone...
They davened Mincha. dancing. Ata vechartanu... Zachreini Na...
At 3:30-4ish we went to the shul got the last hakafa kol hanearim, berashis...
Went back to see if any more soldiers needed anything, all the dati soldiers were gone and there were just a few chiloni ones
Met one of My rebbeim from the states....
Took my kids home to get ready for bed... went to mincha at the shul, for some reason they rushed to wash for their seuda before shkiya???
Came home. Shaloshudis.
Took out my phone to hear the news on the way to maariv...and thets when the shocking terible news became really real.



Rabbosai, I have to tell you, what ever you are getting on the US news isnt even the start of it.
They went house to house on over 14! yishuvim, kibutzim searching for and killing yidden.
On one yishuv they took a young boy and used him as a trojan horse to knock on all his neighbors doors and ask to be let it... when they opened....
They killed anashim nashim vtaf, zekainim vnearim.
The current number is over 700 dead
Israel admits at this moment to over 100 people being kidnapped! Hamas claims over 130...
They captured and raped young girls. 8 year olds!!
They captured many senior citizens.
Soldiers, policemen, firefighters...
The comparison is not the Yom Kippur war, the comparison is Poland september 1939!
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2023, 06:59:09 PM »
A bunch of people I know booked flights to Cyprus on Israeli airlines. (Arkia, Israir, El Al)
Thanks, but nothing available before Shabbos

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2023, 07:19:48 PM »
Just logging in after hearing the rumblings since yesterday during YT. This is absolutely terrible news. Hashem Yikom Damam.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2023, 08:07:39 PM »
@Mods wrong thread. Belongs here

Postedhere before that thread was created

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2023, 08:18:46 PM »
I used to have full faith in our Intelligence and IDF

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