Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[ExGingi]

So the Nazis massacred 1k Jews, ran back to their country and hid in the tunnels, interesting.
Do you really want to play down what the Nazis did?

I took a screenshot of the flag (flags usually convey ideas/ideologies rather than actual act) out of an image that described (in Hebrew) some gory atrocities perpetrated on October 7th. This doesn't play down the Nazis. The ideology is identical.

[itunes]

You don't have to kill anyone to be a Nazi. Why you would want to minimize what the Nazis did is beyond me?
I understand the point is to show that the two both want/wanted to kill all Jews, but it will not come across that way.

If a group dreams about emulating the Nazis and sadly achieve minimal success, is calling them Nazis minimizing anything?

[CountValentine]

I took a screenshot of the flag (flags usually convey ideas/ideologies rather than actual act) out of an image that described (in Hebrew) some gory atrocities perpetrated on October 7th. This doesn't play down the Nazis. The ideology is identical.

Point will be missed just like this point will be missed:

I have seen many reports that this tragedy equates to (pick a number) 9/11's. I am like, what are they talking about.

[ExGingi]

You don't have to kill anyone to be a Nazi. Why you would want to minimize what the Nazis did is beyond me.
I understand the point is to show that the two both want/wanted to kill all Jews, but it will not come across that way.

I have seen many reports that this tragedy equates to (pick a number) 9/11's. I am like, what are they talking about.

So how do we get the world at large to realize and acknowledge that we're dealing with IslamoNazis?

[ExGingi]

Point will be missed just like this point will be missed:

The Nazis had a far more organized (and larger) genocidal machine developed over the wartime (the Wannsee conference was held on Jan. 20 1942), their ideology predates it, and Kristalnacht didn't involve any gas chambers.

Maybe some holocaust awareness/education is called for in the US.

#TheWestIsNext
#IslamoNazis

[CountValentine]

So how do we get the world at large to realize and acknowledge that we're dealing with IslamoNazis?

First by stop constantly making up names. All you do is confuse people. Half the time I have no idea what you are talking about.
If your target audience is DDF you get an A+ if you want to reach outside of DDF you get a D-/F.

[ExGingi]

First by stop constantly making up names. All you do is confuse people. Half the time I have no idea what you are talking about.
If your target audience is DDF you get an A+ if you want to reach outside of DDF you get a D-/F.

What names am I making up?

And yes, by all means, please tell me how to  convey this outside of DDF so it penatrates and is properly understood.

[CountValentine]

#TheWestIsNext

You say never again and I say never a first time. 

[CountValentine]

What names am I making up?

Islamonazism - a real or imagined conflation of Nazism and Islamism.
DDF - real
Real world - imagined

[Alexsei]

Reports that the Rafah crossing has been closed again on the Egyptian side.

Hamas: We reject the plan to bring in 20 trucks of aid to Gaza, it is an American-Israeli conspiracy to throw sand in the eyes, and to fool the international community as if they care about Gaza..

[rbs-g1.5]

Point will be missed just like this point will be missed:

This argument is ridiculous. You personally don't believe in using unrelated examples as parables to explain something or bring out a point.  We all grew up using a mashal (parable) to explain just about everything. (When people compare it to multiple 9/11's or ISIS /NAZI etc. they are trying to remind you of your sentiments and feelings when you were exposed to those atrocities.)  You don't have to like this style of speech but don't make it into a whole ideological argument.

[ExGingi]

Islamonazism - a real or imagined conflation of Nazism and Islamism.
DDF - real
Real world - imagined

I am far from being the first person to use the term IslamoNazis. I've been hearing it for many years (though I only started using it myself recently). We can go item by item to show the equivalnces (or differences) in ideology, but for the average Joe the nuances don't matter. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Amazing that you have the insight to realize that the real world is imagined.

[Euclid]

Unfortunately, the term Nazi has lost its meaning IMO. It's thrown around to describe anyone who doesn't agree with you politically or ideologically. Each side (of any fight) calls the other side "Nazi".

[CountValentine]

You personally don't believe in using unrelated examples as parables to explain something or bring out a point. 

I think you have me mixed up with someone. I have done that and been called out for it as being stupid.

(When people compare it to multiple 9/11's or ISIS /NAZI etc. they are trying to remind you of your sentiments and feelings when you were exposed to those atrocities.)  You don't have to like this style of speech but don't make it into a whole ideological argument.

So they are trying to remind me this is (pick a number) worse than 9/11? I take great offense you trying to equate the two. Just as anyone would take offense when something is equated to the "H".

The point is Hamas butchered men, women, children and babies. You don't need to equate that to anything to have people understand what happened!!!

[Alexsei]

Godwin's law...

IMHO using the term Nazis for anyone other than Nazis shows one's lack of comprehension of what happened during WWII.

There are no small Nazis or bigger Nazis, there are no wannabe Nazis, If such terrible atrocities happen and you want to name them you can keep the name Hamas because that is what the name stands for. There's no need to compare it and steal the name of another group who also committed atrocities, besides of the fact that comparing them by using the same name is ridiculous.

I hope my point won't be missed with my poor yinglish...

ETA: Jinx, I think @CountValentine and @Euclid  already brought out this point in the posts above.

[CountValentine]

Unfortunately, the term Nazi has lost its meaning IMO. It's thrown around to describe anyone who doesn't agree with you politically or ideologically. Each side (of any fight) calls the other side "Nazi".

Godwin's law...

IMHO using the Nazis for anyone other than Nazis shows one's lack of comprehension of what happened during WWII.

There are no small Nazis or bigger Nazis, there are no wannabe Nazis, If such terrible atrocities happen and you want to name them you can keep the name Hamas because that is what the name stands for. There's no need to compare it and steal the name of another group who also committed atrocities, besides of the fact that comparing them by using the same name is ridiculous.

I hope my point won't be missed with my poor yinglish...

Your yinglish explained it way better than my English!!!

[Alexsei]

Unfortunately, the term Nazi has lost its meaning IMO. It's thrown around to describe anyone who doesn't agree with you politically or ideologically. Each side (of any fight) calls the other side "Nazi".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[TimT]

Zaka is still on the floor collecting human ash & tiny bone fragments as that’s all that’s left of some of the burnt victims.

[ExGingi]

Godwin's law...

IMHO using the term Nazis for anyone other than Nazis shows one's lack of comprehension of what happened during WWII.

There are no small Nazis or bigger Nazis, there are no wannabe Nazis, If such terrible atrocities happen and you want to name them you can keep the name Hamas because that is what the name stands for. There's no need to compare it and steal the name of another group who also committed atrocities, besides of the fact that comparing them by using the same name is ridiculous.

I hope my point won't be missed with my poor yinglish...

ETA: Jinx, I think @CountValentine and @Euclid  already brought out this point in the posts above.

With all due respect, I think that those that refuse to use the term IslamoNazis are the ones differentiating between the ideologies and atrocities of Nazi Germany, ISIS, and the various IslamoNazi factions (sorry for using a term you dislike rather than a long list of self proclaimed groups that share the annihilistic Muslim Nation ideology).

There's no distinction. They believe in their supremacy, and have no limit to the barbaric atrocities they will commit in the name of their cause. Not understanding and acknowledging this is what could lead to #TheWestIsNext ר"ל.

[yuneeq]

So they are trying to remind me this is (pick a number) worse than 9/11? I take great offense you trying to equate the two. Just as anyone would take offense when something is equated to the "H".

The point is Hamas butchered men, women, children and babies. You don't need to equate that to anything to have people understand what happened!!!

I think the (pick a number) 9/11 comment is stupid. It’s Israel’s 9/11, period, no need to extrapolate severity.

Regarding Nazi and Holocaust, I don’t think anything should be compared to the Holocaust (unless there’s an event that is truly comparable at scale), but using the word Nazi to describe Hamas does not belittle or whitewash what the Nazis did or stood for.

The comparison to Nazis is appropriate as much of the world did not understand that Hamas was more than rebels fighting for their freedom. They have to come to learn that they are not just killing soldiers, but also butchering women and children too. Yet this still does not indicate that Hamas stands for anything except butchering Israelis, as stated by those claiming they are anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic.

The Nazi label makes it clear that Hamas’ hatred is pointed at Jews across the globe, Israeli Jews are simply the most convenient target.