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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #480 on: October 10, 2023, 11:22:39 AM »
Why are the Hamas terrorists in Israeli Jails still alive? Clearly they are a life threatening liability as they incentivize hostage taking. Perhaps Israel should be threatening the execution of 100 of those beasts an hour until the Israeli hostages are returned?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #481 on: October 10, 2023, 11:24:35 AM »
Why are the Hamas terrorists in Israeli Jails still alive? Clearly they are a life threatening liability as they incentivize hostage taking. Perhaps Israel should be threatening the execution of 100 of those beasts an hour until the Israeli hostages are returned?
Do you think Hamas values their lives? What will we gain if Israel will execute 5,000 prisoners while our 100 men, women and children will ultimately be executed as well? (Execute them, but not in the context of a hostage release deal)
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #482 on: October 10, 2023, 11:25:08 AM »
Perhaps Israel should be threatening the execution of 100 of those beasts an hour until the Israeli hostages are returned?
Hamas doesn’t care about their own.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #483 on: October 10, 2023, 11:25:24 AM »
Huh??????
I don't follow the UN and it was a simple question. A link or two would be nice.
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« Reply #484 on: October 10, 2023, 11:26:51 AM »
Why are the Hamas terrorists in Israeli Jails still alive? Clearly they are a life threatening liability as they incentivize hostage taking. Perhaps Israel should be threatening the execution of 100 of those beasts an hour until the Israeli hostages are returned?
The worst thing you could do is bring yourself down to their level. That is want they want.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #485 on: October 10, 2023, 11:27:07 AM »
Hamas doesn’t care about their own.
Aren’t they holding hostages to obtain the release of Hamas prisoners?

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« Reply #486 on: October 10, 2023, 11:27:57 AM »
Aren’t they holding hostages to obtain the release of Hamas prisoners?
Secretly hoping that Israel doesn't bow so that they can legitimize doing to the hostages what they did to the babies R"L
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #487 on: October 10, 2023, 11:28:11 AM »
The worst thing you could do is bring yourself down to their level. That is want they want.
How is executing murderers going down to their level?

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« Reply #488 on: October 10, 2023, 11:28:29 AM »
Aren’t they holding hostages to obtain the release of Hamas prisoners?
Yes.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #489 on: October 10, 2023, 11:28:58 AM »
Secretly hoping that Israel doesn't bow
Dunno, seemed to work out fine for them with Shalit

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« Reply #490 on: October 10, 2023, 11:29:36 AM »
How is executing murderers going down to their level?
I didn't think you meant giving them a trial first.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #491 on: October 10, 2023, 11:29:39 AM »
Yes.
So I propose no more Hamas prisoners. Only Hamas corpses.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #492 on: October 10, 2023, 11:30:06 AM »
Dunno, seemed to work out fine for them with Shalit
I don't remember but was the Shalit deal tied to war and hostages?
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #493 on: October 10, 2023, 11:30:17 AM »
Because someone made a ridiculous statement thats its all from G-d and it's irrelevant that they're bloodthirsty animals

Sorry, never said that, and definitely wasnt intending to create such dramatic hostility. Let me explain, its very simple,

Hashem (that’s g-d for anyone keeping score at home) is the one who runs the world, how do i know? He told us. HE decides everything, there is no such thing as bechira in the way that you’re describing it, how do i know? Chazal. Its hard to explain the bechira that a goy has, and an animal definitely has no bechira, so its really pretty hard to be able to explain this based on bechira. We as yidden have bechira in ONLY yiras shamayim (for example getting hostile at people and accusing them of saying something they never even said). How do I know? A gemara in Nidda.

In the times of Achashverosh i’m sure many people were asking how this could happen and devising military plans to overthrow the king and all that fun stuff. Nope, actually they davened and learned, how do i know? The Megillah says so.

What’s definitely irrelevant is creating hostility amongst yidden because that may only create the situation to go longer, how do i know? About 2000 years of golus has proven that one.

Really this is all just part of churban bayis some 2000 years ago and its just a ripple effect of sinas chinam that hasnt quite gone away yet.

Do we need to know who did this? To an extent, yes, soldiers definitely should not go to war against Italy mistaking them as the ones who killed almost 1000 yidden, so yes we should know who did it, but chazal tell us (forgot exact lashon) that lev (or yad) melech HASHEM hu, it’s all Hashem, without any doubt in my mind.

Yishmael lives by the chetz (that’s an arrow) they’ve been cursed (blessed?) with this since they’re existence, its in the Torah, these rockets are just fancier and farther arrows.

The Gemara in Sukka says Hashem regrets creating Yishmailim, so he definitely feels the pain now too. Trust me.

But this entire plan is Hashems, not “palestine” or “hamas” yes they carry out the plan and the did quite a scary job doing it, but it was Hashem’s plan. How do I know? Because it happened, plain and simple. If you disagree, I’m sorry but its the truth.

We have the power to change EVERYTHING, davening, learning, tzeddaka, teshuva. How do I know? We screamed it just a couple of weeks ago. While they were wiping out Nashim, Anashim, vtaf, we were screaming “ein shmira katorah,” it doesn’t change just because we’re at war.

Someone here said to cut down on simchos and other things that I really don’t agree with, but regarding the simchos, I think that just as we in America danced on simchas torah, knowing full well that were major tzaros in klal yisroel,  because that was our day that was given to us, so too our simchos. I’m not saying a bar mitzvah needs to have a gourmet shmorg, but to cut out a shmorg and other things from a wedding? That’s the biggest day of someone’s life and its really belittling to THEIR simcha to suggest that. No, a wedding should go on full as planned, that is the exact opposite of what these enemies want. And Hashem wants us having simcha. So if you want to change something at a simcha, give a klap and ask that the 300 people there say a perek of tehillim before dancing. Don’t take it out on a chosson and kallah, please.


What someone should be focused on is ruchnius, davening and learning. Many yeshivos are starting an already super long zman early this year which iyh will be a tremendous zchus. we should give tzeddakah, whether to hatzala and army supplies in israel or to support torah, its all part of the same battle. When you daven, add in tehilim (you’re local minyan should already be doing this).

It’s not for us to pretend to know how to take down enemies on a battle field, because we don’t even have the bechira to do that, THAT IS ONLY SIYATA DISHMAYA, and its not being wasted on you to figure out a strategy of war in your living room. (I.e. read: its irrelevant) It’s being given to the people that need it as many people’s lives are on the line. You can help plan the fight strategy by sitting in a beis medrash.

And the only way to get rid of our enemies is Mashiach, so maybe have a little extra kavana in shmone esrei.

Let’s focus on the things that will actually end this war, and not make it worse yeah?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #494 on: October 10, 2023, 11:30:40 AM »
I didn't think you meant giving them a trial first.
Of course. With an expedited trial.

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« Reply #495 on: October 10, 2023, 11:31:52 AM »
New Knesset coalition ready to be formed as all differences have been straightened, waiting for Bibi to rubber stamp.
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« Reply #496 on: October 10, 2023, 11:32:01 AM »
So I propose no more Hamas prisoners. Only Hamas corpses.
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« Reply #497 on: October 10, 2023, 11:33:14 AM »
Of course. With an expedited trial.
Express consent, like we do to T&Cs
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #498 on: October 10, 2023, 11:33:52 AM »
I don't follow the UN and it was a simple question. A link or two would be nice.
I thought this one was too easy

https://twitter.com/UN_HRC/status/1711426746036244847


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« Reply #499 on: October 10, 2023, 11:36:21 AM »

From that you feel that is backing of Hammas?
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