Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[CountValentine]

CV, it want personal. I was pointing that calling a city like any other city in Gaza that has been around for as long as Israel has, and that the refugees residents there are 3/4th generation is disingenuous and absurd. It is a political designation by the scum UN to portray them as indefinite victims (and siphon billions of dollars)

I understand they are not refugee camps as if people were living in tents but even Israel calls them that.
I think this explains it.

Maybe they were refugee camps 3 generations ago and that's why they're referred to as refugee camps. But at this point if the people have been living there for generations then it ain't a "camp for refugees".

Kinda how the people on Indian reservations don't have teepees and use horses anymore.

ETA: *and they're still called reservations

[CountValentine]

The Israelis take civilians into account, on either side, probably more than anybody in history. That’s why they’re still fighting this. They’ve waited years to kill a terrorist so as not to harm civilians.

Bold part: I know you believe that is true but that doesn't make it so. This war and other recent wars are showing just how ugly war really is.

[TimT]

This war and other recent wars are showing just how ugly war really is.

This is not a contradiction

[gozalim]

CNN Opinion: There’s a smarter way to eliminate Hamas, by Robert A. Pape

Summary: Smashing Hamas will Ch"V lead to hatred and Hamas 2.0.

History repeats itself:
The better way:

this is incorrect.
on point #1, they stopped short of actually finishing the job, let arafat escape and rearm

[TimT]

Biden is calling for a humanitarian "pause" in Israel’s war with Hamas.

[Jellybelly]

Biden is calling for a humanitarian "pause" in Israel’s war with Hamas.

I hope that means a pause to release hostages, but I have my doubts

[Shauly101]

can we please get remote/unmanned tanks in use?

[AsherO]

Biden is calling for a humanitarian "pause" in Israel’s war with Hamas.

Unless he can specify parameters of what it’s for or when it ends, it’s not much different than him calling for a cease fire.

[AsherO]

can we please get remote/unmanned tanks in use?

Easier said than done, the technology doesn’t quite compare to human abilities.

ETA: Keep in mind Israel is already using robots where they can.

[Yehuda57]

can we please get remote/unmanned tanks in use?

Would you like fries with that?

[TimT]

Unless he can specify parameters of what it’s for or when it ends, it’s not much different than him calling for a cease fire.

He made the statement at a fundraiser after being heckled by a troll.

[yitzgar]

He made the statement at a fundraiser after being heckled by a troll.

He said a pause in order to get hostages back. What does that even mean?

[Kobe Bryant]

I understand they are not refugee camps as if people were living in tents but even Israel calls them that.
I think this explains it.

It does not. “Refugees/Camp is an incorrect UN designation with political ramifications, whereas Indian reservations are just that. “an area of land held and governed by a U.S. federal government-recognized Native American tribal nation, whose government is semi-sovereign, subject to regulations passed by the United States Congress and administered by the United States Bureau of Indian Affairs, and not to the U.S. state government in which it is located.” (Wiki)

[jpscuba720]

Easier said than done, the technology doesn’t quite compare to human abilities.

ETA: Keep in mind Israel is already using robots where they can.

correct about the robots. they are in use to scout the tunnels aka mini drones.

[CountValentine]

I hope that means a pause to release hostages, but I have my doubts

It means a pause in the hope it helps for the release more hostages.

[Dan]

Would you like fries with that?

Sir, this is a Waleed's.

[Dan]

It means a pause in the hope it helps for the release more hostages.

Unless Hamas is offering that for a temporary ceasefire, why in the world would Israel do that?

Should they also pause for unicorns to fall from the sky?

[CountValentine]

Unless Hamas is offering that for a temporary ceasefire, why in the world would Israel do that?

Should they also pause for unicorns to fall from the sky?

Because pausing for a day or two will have little to zero effect on the end result.

[ushdadude]

Because pausing for a day or two will have little to zero effect on the end result.

I'm assuming the military men disagree

[AsherO]

Sir, this is a Waleed's.

Flea-dumb fries