Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[dovy2]

CNN Opinion: There’s a smarter way to eliminate Hamas, by Robert A. Pape

Summary: Smashing Hamas will Ch"V lead to hatred and Hamas 2.0.

History repeats itself:
The better way:

while I agree with almost everything written (in the "problem" section), the solution presented isn't anything valuable.
proper solution (the Rebbe's approach) is showing an iron fist, showing zero weakness...
for example (not the Rebbe's, my own): shooting anyone approaching the fence, bombing full blocks where rocket comes from without warning, no more rubber bullets, etc.) - bekitzur, talk to them in Arabic.

[AsherO]

You are earning your pay.

You are beating a dead horse

[CountValentine]

You are beating a dead horse

All the big stories they set the record straight as they should.
You targeted a hospital - No Hamas own missiles hit the hospital.
You struck numerous buildings in a refugee camp - No we targeted between the buildings to strike the tunnels below.
You blew up a car of civilians with a tank - silence

[Yehuda57]

All the big stories they set the record straight as they should.
You targeted a hospital - No Hamas own missiles hit the hospital.
You struck numerous buildings in a refugee camp - No we targeted between the buildings to strike the tunnels below.
You blew up a car of civilians with a tank - silence

You can't see the difference between planned aerial attacks and almost hand to hand battles?

[EliJelly]

Hand in hand with Iran. Russia's appreciation for Israel's not sending Iron Domes to Ukraine.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/russia-tells-un-israel-does-not-have-right-of-self-defense-in-war-with-hamas/

[Dan]

https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1720153121081466931

[Just A Jew]

You blew up a car of civilians with a tank - silence

FWIW, a few hours later they blew up another car with a visible anti-tank rocket sticking out the window. They may not know for sure if the car youre talking about was carrying civilians or terrorists, and I doubt they stopped to inspect it after the fact, but there's an established MO they're dealing with and they're not taking chances.

[yelped]

Hand in hand with Iran. Russia's appreciation for Israel's not sending Iron Domes to Ukraine.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/russia-tells-un-israel-does-not-have-right-of-self-defense-in-war-with-hamas/

The Soviets practically invented the Palestinian nation identity and also advised the PLO to use civilians as human shields back in the 80s. Of course, they also supplied all the Arab nations in all their wars against Israel.

[yelped]

FWIW, a few hours later they blew up another car with a visible anti-tank rocket sticking out the window. They may not know for sure if the car youre talking about was carrying civilians or terrorists, and I doubt they stopped to inspect it after the fact, but there's an established MO they're dealing with and they're not taking chances.

They better not take chances after one RPG took out 13 soldiers. I hope they're done excusing every single action for the world who just want an excuse to have them dead.

[CountValentine]

You can't see the difference between planned aerial attacks and almost hand to hand battles?

Yes. The point was all big stories that are false they point out with great accuracy.

[Just A Jew]

Hand in hand with Iran. Russia's appreciation for Israel's not sending Iron Domes to Ukraine.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/russia-tells-un-israel-does-not-have-right-of-self-defense-in-war-with-hamas/

They really don't care about the conflict. They're speaking up because it serves their current political global agendas. Besides, if Russia was voicing support for us, I'd really start to question if we're on the right side of this thing.

[CountValentine]

They really don't care about the conflict. They're speaking up because it serves their current political global agendas. Besides, if Russia was voicing support for us, I'd really start to question if we're on the right side of this thing.

I am wondering if Israel wishes they did send the Iron Dome to Ukraine?

[AsherO]

Yes. The point was all big stories that are false they point out with great accuracy.

If this car story blew up (pun unintended) they would do the same, I'm confident. It hasn't, so they haven't.

[JMHO]

Yes. The point was all big stories that are false they point out with great accuracy.

It's not a big story, sorry.
Tank sees a suspicious car and takes action to prevent being blown up like 13 others yesterday.
Story over!

[Just A Jew]

I am wondering if Israel wishes they did send the Iron Dome to Ukraine?

No. That would have actively pissed off Russia and made them really care about what happens in Israel.  They'd much rather deal with Putin's rhetoric than his guns in their backyard.

[CountValentine]

It's not a big story, sorry.
Tank sees a suspicious car and takes action to prevent being blown up like 13 others yesterday.
Story over!

Nice try but it was all over the news. Everyone here had a reason it was there to blow up the tank. Filled with explosives, guy with anti-tank weapon, flash from the window, trunk low to the ground.

[yelped]

Nice try but it was all over the news. Everyone here had a reason it was there to blow up the tank. Filled with explosives, guy with anti-tank weapon, flash from the window, trunk low to the ground.

They better not take chances after one RPG took out 13 soldiers. I hope they're done excusing every single action for the world who just want an excuse to have them dead.

[CountValentine]

No. That would have actively pissed off Russia and made them really care about what happens in Israel.  They'd much rather deal with Putin's rhetoric than his guns in their backyard.

That is called appeasement when the current US admin thinks like that. 

[Yehuda57]

I am wondering if Israel wishes they did send the Iron Dome to Ukraine?

Iron dome is in limited supply, not just the missiles, but the launchers themselves need to be moved around. With attacks coming from the north and even Yemen as well, I'm sure they are beyond relieved they didn't.

But either way, it was long ago explained that iron dome wouldn't help much in Ukraine.

[Just A Jew]

That is called appeasement when the current US admin thinks like that. 

100%. When you're a global superpower, that doesn't fly. When you're a tiny country trying to survive, you stay out of everyone else's business and worry about your own problems.