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Author Topic: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread  (Read 1372230 times)

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5520 on: November 06, 2023, 04:19:43 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-06-23/h_b8550596b4a77a1f849238f4008dbee1
They have the facts in front of them, but still have a hard time writing that the numbers are made up. So many nuances in the article that are plain wrong.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5521 on: November 06, 2023, 04:20:50 PM »
The lack of support is quite clear. Mass protests, public mockery of the regime's rules at sporting events and such, and more.

Within the Jewish community, they toe a difficult line. Kids chant "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" at school every day. Jews speak out against Israel all the time, usually saying "zionists". There has been a crackdown since the massacre, with people leaving group chats that have Israelis on them, homes were raided, and some families had passports confiscated. Some Tehillim for that community is likely on order.
That's right. Which is why Obama's policies were so infuriating. Literally letting a nation suffer (let alone the whole world) to appease the evil mullahs when they could be easily deposed and replaced with a real government unlike the other Arab Sprint states.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5522 on: November 06, 2023, 04:30:30 PM »
They have the facts in front of them, but still have a hard time writing that the numbers are made up.
They say many times don't trust the numbers. Are you reading the same article or do I have the wrong one.

Can we trust this estimate?
Similarly, Pentagon Press Secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said Monday the US assesses the number of civilian casualties inside Gaza “is in the thousands,” but he said he did not have a more specific number to provide.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5523 on: November 06, 2023, 04:32:48 PM »
Can we trust this estimate?
Similarly, Pentagon Press Secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said Monday the US assesses the number of civilian casualties inside Gaza “is in the thousands,” but he said he did not have a more specific number to provide.

I don't think anyone will dispute that it's in the thousands at this point. You'll definitely get plenty of conflicting opinions about who actually killed all those civilians, though....
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5524 on: November 06, 2023, 04:37:55 PM »
I don't think anyone will dispute that it's in the thousands at this point. You'll definitely get plenty of conflicting opinions about who actually killed all those civilians, though....
All of them?

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« Reply #5526 on: November 06, 2023, 04:42:49 PM »
I don't think anyone will dispute that it's in the thousands at this point. You'll definitely get plenty of conflicting opinions about who actually killed all those civilians, though....
First we had no idea how many civilians were killed.
Now we accept it is in the thousands.
Now we don't know who killed them.
I can see a pattern, can you?
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5527 on: November 06, 2023, 04:45:22 PM »
They say many times don't trust the numbers. Are you reading the same article or do I have the wrong one.

Can we trust this estimate?
Similarly, Pentagon Press Secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said Monday the US assesses the number of civilian casualties inside Gaza “is in the thousands,” but he said he did not have a more specific number to provide.
They are trying their utmost to say "please, trust the numbers even though we have all these statements and indicators that they are inflated". You don't even have to read between the lines to discern that sentiment.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5528 on: November 06, 2023, 04:46:02 PM »
Surprised this isn't talked about much. I posted about it before. Seems like a game changer!

Israel shoots down a ballistic missile in SPACE
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-shoots-down-a-ballistic-missile-in-space/ar-AA1juk8e?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=77d7e45947f24b5386ce617ad5556021&ei=8
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5529 on: November 06, 2023, 04:46:42 PM »
They are trying their utmost to say "please, trust the numbers even though we have all these statements and indicators that they are inflated". You don't even have to read between the lines to discern that sentiment.
You don't do the echo-chamber justice.  :P
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5530 on: November 06, 2023, 04:49:02 PM »
You don't do the echo-chamber justice.  :P
Do you really want me to work so hard on prying upon your brain to see what lays before you? 🤦🏼

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« Reply #5531 on: November 06, 2023, 04:52:15 PM »
Do you really want me to work so hard on prying upon your brain to see what lays before you? 🤦🏼
How many times do they need to say don't trust the numbers?

They even give numbers from the US. Do you believe them?
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« Reply #5533 on: November 06, 2023, 04:59:10 PM »
First we had no idea how many civilians were killed.
Now we accept it is in the thousands.
Now we don't know who killed them.
I can see a pattern, can you?

Yes, the pattern is called time.
First, we had no idea how many civilians were actually killed vs militants.
Then there was a semantic tangent about whether there are any true civilians in Gaza.
Now, we accept that after 25k targets bombed by the Israelis and documented Hamas slayings of Gazan civilians, the number is likely in the thousands.
I don't think I need to pull up the clips of the car bomb detonated amongst the fleeing Gazans or the women and children shot by snipers along the evacuation route in order to back up a statement that we don't know how many Gazan civilians were killed by Israeli strike or by Hamas terrorists.

Why is everything about proving that everyone on here isn't as open minded as you are? I see a pattern, can you?
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« Reply #5534 on: November 06, 2023, 05:01:27 PM »
Why is everything about proving that everyone on here isn't as open minded as you are?
Where did you get, I am open-minded?
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« Reply #5535 on: November 06, 2023, 05:03:31 PM »
Where did you get, I am open-minded?

You've only said as much about 6k times over the last 10 years. If TimT is bored, he can compile a list of quotes.
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« Reply #5536 on: November 06, 2023, 05:04:24 PM »
I don't think I need to pull up the clips of the car bomb detonated amongst the fleeing Gazans or the women and children shot by snipers along the evacuation route in order to back up a statement that we don't know how many Gazan civilians were killed by Israeli strike or by Hamas terrorists.
This would show why some are not leaving or can't leave, no?
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« Reply #5537 on: November 06, 2023, 05:05:46 PM »
You've only said as much about 6k times over the last 10 years.
Last ten years and you just joined last month.  :)
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« Reply #5538 on: November 06, 2023, 05:07:31 PM »
Last ten years and you just started posting last month.  :)

FTFY
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« Reply #5539 on: November 06, 2023, 05:08:15 PM »
This would show why some are not leaving or can't leave, no?

Was that ever in dispute?
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