Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[Dan]

https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/israel/quick-thoughts-shocking-simchat-torah-war-israel-strategy-helping-family-find-flights-tel-aviv/

[jj1000]

I would say too early for that.

To your point of 9/11... For an attack like this does it warrant attacking those who planned it? i.e. Iran.

Seems justification enough to me, but will it to Biden, I don't think Israel can attack Iran without his blessing in case they retaliate and it becomes a real war.

[CountValentine]

To your point of 9/11... For an attack like this does it warrant attacking those who planned it? i.e. Iran.

Seems justification enough to me, but will it to Biden, I don't think Israel can attack Iran without his blessing in case they retaliate and it becomes a real war.

I am not disagreeing. It will take time to have evidence to put this at Iran's doorstep.

[Dan]

I am not disagreeing. It will take time to have evidence to put this at Iran's doorstep.

https://archive.ph/JONSm

[Mordyk]

Any Chance Israel Attacks Iran? Would likely need Biden's blessing first?

With the latest headlines that Iran is close to having nuclear weapons, I believe Israel will hit Iran. They will take advantage of this situation with news sources claiming that Iran is behind these attacks.  They might as well.

[zale]

Do we have any idea how the Israeli intelligence agencies missed this?

אם ה׳ לא ישמר עיר, שוא שקד שומר

[EliJelly]

Rabbosai, I have to tell you, what ever you are getting on the US news isnt even the start of it.
They went house to house on over 14! yishuvim, kibutzim searching for and killing yidden.
On one yishuv they took a young boy and used him as a trojan horse to knock on all his neighbors doors and ask to be let it... when they opened....
They killed anashim nashim vtaf, zekainim vnearim.
The current number is over 700 dead
Israel admits at this moment to over 100 people being kidnapped! Hamas claims over 130...
They captured and raped young girls. 8 year olds!!
They captured many senior citizens.
Soldiers, policemen, firefighters...
The comparison is not the Yom Kippur war, the comparison is Poland september 1939!

This made me cry. 
Worst and bloodiest terrorist out there and treated by the world as legitimate resistance group just seeking their own democracy.

[CountValentine]

https://archive.ph/JONSm

Believe me I have seen a ton of these reports. It will still take time.
I know Israel wants to handle this (military action) on their own, but they should swallow their pride and ask the US for help.
Americans were killed and taken hostage. We should be involved.

ETA: With the political climate the way it is in this country how could either side (D&R's) say no?

[EliJelly]

Any Chance Israel Attacks Iran? Would likely need Biden's blessing first?

They need much more than just a blessing from Biden in order to attack Iran. Insane how we still have such faith in their ability right after their epic intelligence failure in preventing or responding to the ugliest attack in years.

Actually, "WE" need Biden's Hashem's blessing in this terrible situation.

[liosac]

With the latest headlines that Iran is close to having nuclear weapons, I believe Israel will hit Iran. They will take advantage of this situation with news sources claiming that Iran is behind these attacks.  They might as well.

And reach them how? The deepest US penetration bomb the GBU-57 can go to around 200 feet below ground. Iran is building nuclear facilities deeper than that. Israel doesn’t even have a plane that can carry that size bomb; their fighter jets can’t even carry the 30000 point GBU-57 and they don’t have any B52 or similar bombers that can.

[gozalim]

9/11 response didn't come the next day, and this won't either. They should take their time and get it done right.

they will lose public opinion support over time.
They shouldn't care about that, but...

[shapsam]

9/11 response didn't come the next day, and this won't either. They should take their time and get it done right.

The world won't let Israel do the same in a few months, what they can "get away with" now while it's hot

[shapsam]

 Why was this thread moved from GD to politics? Inappropriate IMHO

[Dan]

Why was this thread moved from GD to politics? Inappropriate IMHO

Uh. I'm surprised too.
Restoring to GD.

[jj1000]

Why was this thread moved from GD to politics? Inappropriate IMHO

Thread was merged with an older thread on this topic, when they were merged SMF moved it to politics. Just an oversight and fixed.

[CountValentine]

they will lose public opinion support over time.
They shouldn't care about that, but...

The world won't let Israel do the same in a few months, what they can "get away with" now while it's hot

Support will change when dead bodies of children are displayed. That will happen right away and surprised it hasn't happened already.

If they can get the US to help in some way, it will be harder to condemn them.

[EliJelly]

If they can get the US to help in some way, it will be harder to condemn them.

Biden issued a very strong statement and kudos for that. Now let's see the action in the same spirit.

[aygart]

Support will change when dead bodies of children are displayed. That will happen right away and surprised it hasn't happened already.

If they can get the US to help in some way, it will be harder to condemn them.

It makes sense to take longer when there are child hostages still held.

[CountValentine]

Thread was merged with an older thread on this topic, when they were merged SMF moved it to politics. Just an oversight and fixed.

Probably better to leave them split as the older one was political. Just a thought.

[Yehuda57]

but they should swallow their pride

This entire..... (I don't have a word for it) is precisely because Israel has swallowed its pride since day 1.

Israel acting with pride is the *only* way they can eliminate the threat.