Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[AsherO]

https://x.com/War_Mapper/status/1724582338099569071

[Euclid]

If they don't find anything substantial in the hospital this is going to be an embarrassment like Bush's WMDs

[stooges44]

If they don't find anything substantial in the hospital this is going to be an embarrassment like Bush's WMDs

There's like 2 people in the whole world that would actually switch sides over this, the haters are hating regardless and the believers realize that this operation (pun intended) had to happen regardless. There may or may not be a smoking gun but when your cleaning for pesach you clean everywhere.

[Definitions2]

From now on, every back and forth arguments members here have with CV can only be up to 20 posts. Once it reaches 20 posts, you step in, evaluate the arguments and you issue a verdict. Once the verdict is issued, the topic is closed! Next topic!

It sounds like you didn't like something about my post. I'm not sure what.

Username doesn't check out

Quote 1 is what I tell the person. Quote 2 is what I believe of myself.
Its a necessary brag/lie IMO when the person I debate IRL is constantly saying that there are smart people who've been studying these things for years who agree with him. So to that I respond and say that I'm a smart person. One reason is to say that doesn't give much credence to anything until the proofs have been gone through. Another reason is because it gives some comedic relief so the conversation should stay civil

[AsherO]

There's like 2 people in the whole world that would actually switch sides over this, the haters are hating regardless and the believers realize that this operation (pun intended) had to happen regardless. There may or may not be a smoking gun but when you’re cleaning for pesach you clean everywhere.

שתי שורות במרתף takes on a whole new meaning…

[Yehuda57]

If they don't find anything substantial in the hospital this is going to be an embarrassment like Bush's WMDs

You were underwhelmed by them finding Hamas was holding (a) hostage(s) in another hospital, with tunnels underneath. It's like they need to find Sinwar himself in an icu bed stealing the oxygen from a patient.

It's been reported since 2005 by PBS that they work out of Shifa. It's nothing new or secret. It just doesn't get airtime because Jews.

[shapsam]

If they don't find anything substantial in the hospital this is going to be an embarrassment like Bush's WMDs

What kind of hospital do you need a day's long military operation to enter? Just the fact that they couldn't walk in without a fight, is already enough.

[JMHO]

What kind of hospital do you need a day's long military operation to enter? Just the fact that they couldn't walk in without a fight, is already enough.

Ever been to a hospital? The amount of paperwork before you can get in is crazy! Then they start with the Covid questionnaire, temperature checks, insurance, it doesn't end!

Seriously though, do you want them to just walk into a lion's den of bobby traps and ambushes? It takes time...

[yfr bachur]

What kind of hospital do you need a day's long military operation to enter? Just the fact that they couldn't walk in without a fight, is already enough.

Ever been to a hospital? The amount of paperwork before you can get in is crazy! Then they start with the Covid questionnaire, temperature checks, insurance, it doesn't end!

Just might be the best line on the thread...

And we know that theres covid there, everyones wearing masks...

[ushdadude]

What kind of hospital do you need a day's long military operation to enter? Just the fact that they couldn't walk in without a fight, is already enough.

That's narrative can easily be changed to hamas was protecting the people inside from an invading force

[Euclid]

You were underwhelmed by them finding Hamas was holding (a) hostage(s) in another hospital, with tunnels underneath. It's like they need to find Sinwar himself in an icu bed stealing the oxygen from a patient.

It's been reported since 2005 by PBS that they work out of Shifa. It's nothing new or secret. It just doesn't get airtime because Jews.

The video showed a chair and a rope, the optics of that are quite underwhelming.

To be clear about my opinion, I believe that Hamas is running things out of the hospital; but there needs to be clear and overwhelming evidence for this, after Israel has been saying over and over that Al Shifa is a huge focal point. Otherwise it feels like Iraq all over again.

[yfr bachur]

That's narrative can easily be changed to hamas was protecting the people inside from an invading force

Oh the same hamas that was minding its own buisiness in Be'eri...

[yfr bachur]

To be clear about my opinion, I believe that Hamas is running things out of the hospital; but there needs to be clear and overwhelming evidence for this, after Israel has been saying over and over that Al Shifa is a huge focal point. Otherwise it feels like Iraq all over again.

The is true 1 million percent.
If they cant show "clear and overwhelming evidence" I don't think that they get to prolong the war much longer (from the US Govt point of veiw).
If they can - then the timeline gets extended...

[Dawie]

It's official.. the first shul opened in Gaza, by the beach. looking for steady mispalilim to join

and then there is one guy who wont daven in THAT shul

[AsherO]

The is true 1 million percent.
If they cant show "clear and overwhelming evidence" I don't think that they get to prolong the war much longer (from the US Govt point of veiw).
If they can - then the timeline gets extended...

Didn’t a recent independent intelligent assessment confirm that Shifa is used as Hamas HQ?

ETA: e.g. what’s reported here: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/14/politics/white-house-hamas-al-shifa/index.html

[AsherO]

and then there is one guy who wont daven in THAT shul

He doesn’t approve of the Mechitza

[ushdadude]

Oh the same hamas that was minding its own buisiness in Be'eri...

I'm just saying, a fight to get into the hospital won't convince anyone of anything

[imayid2]

[aygart]

The hergesh this gives me is כי חרבך הנפת עלי' ותחללי'

[luckyluck]

רוֹמְמוֹת אֵל בִּגְרוֹנָם וְחֶרֶב פִּיפִיּוֹת בְּיָדָם (תהילים קמט ו)