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Author Topic: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread  (Read 1114492 times)

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #640 on: October 10, 2023, 08:21:00 PM »
@CountValentine since you’ve asked about this
Thats insane.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #641 on: October 10, 2023, 08:36:55 PM »
My war letters home A little bit of a different format:
Monday we gat a call from the cheder, still no cheder tomorrow, but R Moshe hille hirsh has said that all fathers who can should learn with their sons - even if their kollel has started already...also they should take in another boy or two (whos father cant learn with him) to the sessions..
 Tehillim after all teffilos, The ieda announces tues day as a yom tfilla - all should finish the entire sefer tehilim...,

The rabanim harashaim start talking about having aklal yisreolwide tfilla.

I finaly get to the tambor, and the ownerfeels the need to excuse himself , why he's there and not with his friends in miluim - I'm Nechea Tzhal - I have a war/army injury, and there for am not useful???

Hes a chiloni guy - at least dresses that way - who grew up on a verry small yishuv in the Jordan valley. He wants to know, is thechareidi kahila being torem to the war effort are they being mishtataef.... I don't really have a good answer - its not likeI've been going around seeing whats up in different neighborhoods.

We get  to talking. (we're freindly from the past, he knows that I'm moving...) And I get to see the resolve, the determination  that has taken hold of the national concience here. He's NOT a Ben Gvir/MK Kach type, but the Gaza will be different, we will show them, we'll make a kilometer wide buffer zone, we'll go in and show them... We wont listen to the world when they try to make us stop...

I make the point that the most likely conclusion is a staleamate, we will not get back all the hostages, some of them will be lost forever, invoking names from my childhood like Guy Hever, Ron Arad, Sultan Yaakub.... He refuses to hear. No, we will get them all back.

streets are very quite. Geula is closed early. I don;t know which stores are open during the day, but when I walk home everything is closed.

Tachana merkazit is closing early.

I walk into a few stores, there is a shortage of fresh vegtables, and FRESH poultry, but otherwise  at least in my area the supply chain seems to be working.

Stuff is hitting close to home: My chavrusas Brother in law ha sjust started in an army prep ulpan/lone soldier progarm  on a kibutz in the north, and two of the guys who he met when he came - (who are alrady in the army) were killed.

When I came home from Yeshiva I found a tent set up outside one of the buildings on my street for one of the families to sit shiva for someone murdered... They seemed to just have gotten back from the beis hakvaros... so i decided to go in later.

We start to here the first drips of breakage in the united national front, someone on the radio saying that Bibi souldnt be forming a national govt -he should be resigning.

One of my wifes older single freinds is getting married in Beitar tonight. She decides to makean extra effort to go as maybe people wont come from out side the city, especially since there wasa missile strike in  beitar yesterday. An nice amount of freinds showed up, prob all for the same reason. They said theilim at the chupa. Someone sent a message around  that there is a chasuna and people should comebe meshameac. FLOP. many people came in weekday clothing, a a lower standard of tznius than the couple, the kalla knows who her freinds are , and these people who she hasent seen before in her life are not letting her dance with her freinds....but at least their hearts were in the right place.

Tuesdays call from the cheder brings NEWS. Kita Hay and up will be having some sort of program. call your class info numberto find out what... OLower grades stil closed - though theyre working on reactivating the Corona remote learning model. Other chadorim have bee open. There are all sorts of calculations that each school has to make - do we have enough protected areas, how will kids get home in the event of a massive flare up - nieghborhod schools have an easiiar time at least with that.

A bachur calls me from the US, his magid shiur is convincing him to come back, he wants an unbiased un connected third party, whos on the ground to tell himwhats up and advise him.


SO war has tought my 3,5 yr old son The entire shir hamaaols Mimamakim by heart


i basicaly told the bachur - can you deal with staying in yeashiva for the durtion f the zman with out breaks for shabbos....What level of escilation will cuase you to jump on the next plane back...Is irt just the uncertainty....
 no war planes over head tonight. last night thery were there the entire time...brought me back to right after 9/11, and my trumas then ... seeing the landing path into LGA from my bedroom window and being conviced every night that my atic bedroom was going to be hit by at least the landing gear of a plane...
no war planes over head tonight. last night thery were there the entire time...brought me back to right after 9/11, and my trumas then ... seeing the landing path into LGA from my bedroom window and being conviced every night that my atic bedroom was going to be hit by at least the landing gear of a plane...
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #644 on: October 10, 2023, 10:42:05 PM »

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #646 on: October 11, 2023, 12:27:26 AM »
22 Terrorists killed inside Israel during 4th day of war!

https://twitter.com/bokeralmog/status/1711864063628579214?s=20
So basically he's saying there are still some terrorists around. Or we're around today.

My question is, did we hear of any killings by those terrorists? Or they are just in hiding?

I haven't seen reports of additional attacks the past 2-3 days.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #648 on: October 11, 2023, 12:49:55 AM »
Why did Israel bomb the Rafah crossing?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #649 on: October 11, 2023, 12:52:03 AM »
Why did Israel bomb the Rafah crossing?
Destroyed a cross-border smuggling tunnel.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #650 on: October 11, 2023, 12:59:18 AM »
Destroyed a cross-border smuggling tunnel.

Yup, they bombed nearby and the silly media headlines are that they bombed the crossing.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #651 on: October 11, 2023, 01:00:23 AM »
Yup, they bombed nearby and the silly media headlines are that they bombed the crossing.
So it’s still open?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #652 on: October 11, 2023, 01:03:55 AM »
So it’s still open?

Seems so

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) did not say that the border crossing was struck but said that an underground tunnel for smuggling weapons and equipment was struck in the Rafah area. It’s unclear where exactly the strike occurred.

The Rafah crossing was working normally on Tuesday, according to the Palestinian Border Crossing General Authority, adding that 75 names had been cleared for passage on Wednesday.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #654 on: October 11, 2023, 03:14:57 AM »
Sorry, never said that, and definitely wasnt intending to create such dramatic hostility. Let me explain, its very simple,

Hashem (that’s g-d for anyone keeping score at home) is the one who runs the world, how do i know? He told us. HE decides everything, there is no such thing as bechira in the way that you’re describing it, how do i know? Chazal. Its hard to explain the bechira that a goy has, and an animal definitely has no bechira, so its really pretty hard to be able to explain this based on bechira. We as yidden have bechira in ONLY yiras shamayim (for example getting hostile at people and accusing them of saying something they never even said). How do I know? A gemara in Nidda.

In the times of Achashverosh i’m sure many people were asking how this could happen and devising military plans to overthrow the king and all that fun stuff. Nope, actually they davened and learned, how do i know? The Megillah says so.

What’s definitely irrelevant is creating hostility amongst yidden because that may only create the situation to go longer, how do i know? About 2000 years of golus has proven that one.

Really this is all just part of churban bayis some 2000 years ago and its just a ripple effect of sinas chinam that hasnt quite gone away yet.

Do we need to know who did this? To an extent, yes, soldiers definitely should not go to war against Italy mistaking them as the ones who killed almost 1000 yidden, so yes we should know who did it, but chazal tell us (forgot exact lashon) that lev (or yad) melech HASHEM hu, it’s all Hashem, without any doubt in my mind.

Yishmael lives by the chetz (that’s an arrow) they’ve been cursed (blessed?) with this since they’re existence, its in the Torah, these rockets are just fancier and farther arrows.

The Gemara in Sukka says Hashem regrets creating Yishmailim, so he definitely feels the pain now too. Trust me.

But this entire plan is Hashems, not “palestine” or “hamas” yes they carry out the plan and the did quite a scary job doing it, but it was Hashem’s plan. How do I know? Because it happened, plain and simple. If you disagree, I’m sorry but its the truth.

We have the power to change EVERYTHING, davening, learning, tzeddaka, teshuva. How do I know? We screamed it just a couple of weeks ago. While they were wiping out Nashim, Anashim, vtaf, we were screaming “ein shmira katorah,” it doesn’t change just because we’re at war.

Someone here said to cut down on simchos and other things that I really don’t agree with, but regarding the simchos, I think that just as we in America danced on simchas torah, knowing full well that were major tzaros in klal yisroel,  because that was our day that was given to us, so too our simchos. I’m not saying a bar mitzvah needs to have a gourmet shmorg, but to cut out a shmorg and other things from a wedding? That’s the biggest day of someone’s life and its really belittling to THEIR simcha to suggest that. No, a wedding should go on full as planned, that is the exact opposite of what these enemies want. And Hashem wants us having simcha. So if you want to change something at a simcha, give a klap and ask that the 300 people there say a perek of tehillim before dancing. Don’t take it out on a chosson and kallah, please.


What someone should be focused on is ruchnius, davening and learning. Many yeshivos are starting an already super long zman early this year which iyh will be a tremendous zchus. we should give tzeddakah, whether to hatzala and army supplies in israel or to support torah, its all part of the same battle. When you daven, add in tehilim (you’re local minyan should already be doing this).

It’s not for us to pretend to know how to take down enemies on a battle field, because we don’t even have the bechira to do that, THAT IS ONLY SIYATA DISHMAYA, and its not being wasted on you to figure out a strategy of war in your living room. (I.e. read: its irrelevant) It’s being given to the people that need it as many people’s lives are on the line. You can help plan the fight strategy by sitting in a beis medrash.

And the only way to get rid of our enemies is Mashiach, so maybe have a little extra kavana in shmone esrei.

Let’s focus on the things that will actually end this war, and not make it worse yeah?

Pretty sure it says they armed themselves and killed hundreds....They went on the offensive. First Tfilla then we kill them out.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #656 on: October 11, 2023, 06:15:08 AM »
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #657 on: October 11, 2023, 06:39:46 AM »
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #659 on: October 11, 2023, 09:15:52 AM »
Pretty sure it says they armed themselves and killed hundreds....They went on the offensive. First Tfilla then we kill them out.

It was a defensive actually not an offensive, that was the whole decree, that they only davened and then afterwards they had to defend themselves, but that was only after the king had abolished haman’s plans, and they only fought to defend themselves against the people that went out to fight the jews since the kings decree can’t be taken back, so the king allowed the yidden to find to DEFEND not an offensive war.

And my point was that they weren’t focused on battle and trying to take down haman. They knew exactly who decreed this against them (Hashem and not some human king” and so they just davened. this is pretty basic purim torah…