Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[UKinNYS]

Unfortunately, not only is this true seems like its a done deal. ON SAME DAY AS ISRAEL RALLY
This is not a stab in the back its dagger in the eye.  >:

https://apnews.com/article/iran-iraq-sanctions-waiver-816c2ba3f8eae10553ed07304c02db0f
"the administration is confident Iran will not be able to use any of the money for nefarious purposes."

does anyone really buy this BS?! (beside that money is fungible)

If this report is true its pure madness and must be stopped:
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-mulls-approval-of-fresh-10-billion-payment-to-iran/

[EliJelly]

It sounds like you didn't like something about my post. I'm not sure what.

Chas V'shalom. Was trying to apply your method to the never ending arguments here as well, in a funny way.

[TimT]

That’s one Bal Koreh I won’t be correcting.

[TimT]

Thank you IDF!!

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1724788581863215126

[yfr bachur]

Umm,
If the IDF has been so succseesful as they say with 1000s of terrorists killed at the truely painful but unexpectedly low cost of only 48 of our brothers...
What does that say for the skills of the IDF vs US+ armies in the urban combat enviroment (see falujjah...) ...Or was hamas just a paper tiger?

(Siyata dishmaya, I know... but that aint goin to be the answer at the US army staff colleges...)

[AsherO]

Umm,
If the IDF has been so succseesful as they say with 1000s of terrorists killed at the painful but low cost of only 48 of our brothers...
What does that say for the skills of the IDF vs US+ armies in the urban enviroment...Or was hamas a paper tiger?

I think we need to be very cautious with our optimism, this war is far from over and we have a lot more davening to do.

[yfr bachur]

I think we need to be very cautious with our optimism, this war is far from over and we have a lot more davening to do.

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I'm just recalling that there were warnings that going into gaza was going to be some sort of combination of faluja, black hawk down ect... and it really seems that b"h the IDF has been abe to basically impose its will whereever it wants...

The long haul is obviously more serious with the need to basically finish clearing the north, set up camps, ship everyone from south to north, repeat in the south with hamas having the time to learn from its experiences in the north... set up some sort of interim govt... transfer all the troops north, clear out southern lebanon, reestablish the SLA... Take care of the Choutis... (Regime change in Iran... Solve the Ukraine war... what else can the israelis accomplish....) oh keep the peace in Yosh...

[AsherO]

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I'm just recalling that there were warnings that going into gaza was going to be some sort of combination of faluja, black hawk down ect... and it really seems that b"h the IDF has been abe to basically impose its will whereever it wants...

The long haul is obviously more serious with the need to basically finish clearing the north, set up camps, ship everyone from south to north, repeat in the south with hamas having the time to learn from its experiences in the north... set up some sort of interim govt... transfer all the troops north, clear out southern lebanon, reestablish the SLA... Take care of the Choutis... (Regime change in Iran... Solve the Ukraine war... what else can the israelis accomplish....)

I don’t think you’re following what I’m saying. You’re calling it “finish clearing the north”, and it’s possible they’ve only addressed the tip of the iceberg in northern Gaza.

[yfr bachur]

I don’t think you’re following what I’m saying. You’re calling it “finish clearing the north”, and it’s possible they’ve only addressed the tip of the iceberg in northern Gaza.

You mean in terms of occupieing or in terms of ambush, or in terms of searching clearing up terror infrastructure...??
In other words, in your opinion - how much needs to be done in the north before the idea of "ceasefire" is basically: Well we have control of all areas and there just may be sporadic gunfire from a few hold outs

[Just A Jew]

And Israel just withdrew from Shifa. That's a PR battle loss. Gotta hope that they're doing better on the ground than they're doing in the press.

[yelped]

https://twitter.com/Dave_Harden/status/1724770870332174723

This is coming from someone who part of the UN/US AID apparatus (aka Hamas enablers/VIP partners).

[yelped]

And Israel just withdrew from Shifa. That's a PR battle loss. Gotta hope that they're doing better on the ground than they're doing in the press.

They said they're doing a targeted operation there yesterday before they went in.

[Just A Jew]

They said they're doing a targeted operation there yesterday before they went in.

I trust that it was the correct move tactically. PR-wise, if you go in to a hospital and cause interruption of treatment for thousands of people, you better come out with a PR gold mine.

[AsherO]

You mean in terms of occupieing or in terms of ambush, or in terms of searching clearing up terror infrastructure...??
In other words, in your opinion - how much needs to be done in the north before the idea of "ceasefire" is basically: Well we have control of all areas and there just may be sporadic gunfire from a few hold outs

My opinion is quite uninformed, but my uinderstanding is that there's a lot remaining to be done in northern Gaza, especially below ground, that it's very premature to decleare an easy and quick victory.

[AsherO]

And Israel just withdrew from Shifa.

They did? Source?

[Just A Jew]

My opinion is quite uninformed, but my uinderstanding is that there's a lot remaining to be done in northern Gaza, especially below ground, that it's very premature to decleare an easy and quick victory.

And the north is only a part of the whole network. They still have to clean up the south, and they have nowhere to evacuate the 2 million people there to.

[yelped]

I trust that it was the correct move tactically. PR-wise, if you go in to a hospital and cause interruption of treatment for thousands of people, you better come out with a PR gold mine.

Interruption? They brought thousands of supplies that Hamas was preventing the Palestinians from using.

ETA: Added example link:

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1724788581863215126

[AsherO]

And the north is only a part of the whole network. They still have to clean up the south, and they have nowhere to evacuate the 2 million people there to.

I haven't even seen any IDF statements for their plans in the south.

[Yehuda57]

I trust that it was the correct move tactically. PR-wise, if you go in to a hospital and cause interruption of treatment for thousands of people, you better come out with a PR gold mine.

The thing that has struck me from the start is that this operation has not been predictable in the slightest. People were ready for them to run in guns blazing, and they didn't. Every day the ground invasion was gonna start every day, and it just didn't. Then people said they were just gonna suffice with the aerial bombing and not go in, and they started the ground invasion. They've bombed targets people thought were off limits, they have used bunker busters. Excuse my ignorance, but has any pundit predicted correctly what the next move would be?

Seems to me they are doing what they need to do without giving a flying fig how it looks or what anyone else thinks they should do - which is exactly the right move! Let them finish the job.

[Just A Jew]

Interruption? They brought thousands of supplies that Hamas was preventing the Palestinians from using.

You're talking practically. I'm talking in terms of PR. No one cares about a picture with boxes stamped "Medical Supplies" in English. It looks like they're treating the international media consumers like they're stupid. Hospitals are supposed to be sacred. The argument is that Hamas defiled its sacred untouchable status, and that's why it's a legitimate target. If Israel is going to break that sanctity and not have anything to show for it, that's pretty disastrous. Again, all of this is just on a PR level.