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Author Topic: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread  (Read 1389444 times)

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6820 on: November 21, 2023, 05:02:06 PM »
Let’s keep in mind sinwar was released in the shalit deal. Letting prisoners free is a huge risk.
This is not theoretical. This is fact. The Shalit deal saw the release of over 1000 terrorists who had collectively killed 569 Israelis. It did t take long long for them to get back to it. 6 Israelis were killed by terrorists who were released in the shallot deal in the first five years afterwards alone. Many more were killed since then. Without Sinwars release there’s no doubt that Oct 7 would not have been as effective if it would have happened at all. We rescued one hostage at the direct cost of so many other families who are now missing fathers, mothers, sons and daughters. We don’t learn our lesson. It’s gut wrenching to resist freeing a hostage at all cost. But to trade a hostage for a prisoner release is guaranteed to cost many more lives. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6821 on: November 21, 2023, 05:03:42 PM »
This is not theoretical. This is fact. The Shalit deal saw the release of over 1000 terrorists who had collectively killed 569 Israelis. It did t take long long for them to get back to it. 6 Israelis were killed by terrorists who were released in the shallot deal in the first five years afterwards alone. Many more were killed since then. Without Sinwars release there’s no doubt that Oct 7 would not have been as effective if it would have happened at all. We rescued one hostage at the direct cost of so many other families who are now missing fathers, mothers, sons and daughters. We don’t learn our lesson. It’s gut wrenching to resist freeing a hostage at all cost. But to trade a hostage for a prisoner release is guaranteed to cost many more lives. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
There is something different that they are doing, and that is vowing to kill every last member of Hamas.

They mean it.

Also, they aren’t releasing anyone who’s been convicted of murder.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6823 on: November 21, 2023, 05:20:41 PM »
and that is vowing to kill every last member of Hamas.

They mean it.
painful to say but I have a hard time believing them. The more this goes on the more they keep backtracking there promises.
Why in the world would you give them fuel, the number one way to flush out your enemy. It’s the water supply of the 21 century.  :-[

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6826 on: November 21, 2023, 06:16:01 PM »
@CountValentine we know you are lurking somewhere in the background. So here's one for you:

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6827 on: November 21, 2023, 07:21:29 PM »
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6830 on: November 21, 2023, 08:10:19 PM »
Its not PC to say but some cultures are clearly superior, Arab culture clearly more violent than say Scandinavian culture. The full consequences of the failure that is Multi-Cultralism is yet to be seen.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6831 on: November 21, 2023, 08:10:47 PM »
Israeli government approved deal.

Otzma Yehudit objected.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6832 on: November 21, 2023, 08:12:11 PM »
Why would Hamas agree to such a deal?
They don't care about humanitarian reasons.
They don't care about the woman and children in Israeli custody.
The only reason they would agree, is either to save themselves, or to help them kill more Yidden, or both.
No?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6833 on: November 21, 2023, 08:14:58 PM »
It’s not PC to say but some cultures are clearly superior, Arab culture clearly more violent than say Scandinavian culture. The full consequences of the failure that is Multi-Cultralism is yet to be seen.

You should read up about the Vikings :P
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6834 on: November 21, 2023, 08:20:07 PM »
Why would Hamas agree to such a deal?
They don't care about humanitarian reasons.
They don't care about the woman and children in Israeli custody.
The only reason they would agree, is either to save themselves, or to help them kill more Yidden, or both.
No?

Read the thread:
https://x.com/levanonisrael/status/1726996353946193978
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6835 on: November 21, 2023, 08:23:25 PM »
Why would Hamas agree to such a deal?
They don't care about humanitarian reasons.
They don't care about the woman and children in Israeli custody.
The only reason they would agree, is either to save themselves, or to help them kill more Yidden, or both.
No?
Why not?
They still have most of the hostages (i.e leverage). The longer there is a pause (which they will likely try to extend), the harder is it for Israel to restart military operations. They also weaken whatever sympathy Israel has by showing how flexible and accommodating Hamas can be.

Btw, it's amazing how fast this turned into the 240 hostages and how/why/when the war is for. Did we forget about the 1,000+ who were butchered on 10/7?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6836 on: November 21, 2023, 08:24:36 PM »
The Israeli government has approved a 4-day ceasefire and the release of 150 Arab prisoners in exchange for 50  Israeli hostages being held captive by Hamas in Gaza.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6837 on: November 21, 2023, 08:25:50 PM »
Read the thread:
https://x.com/levanonisrael/status/1726996353946193978
Hamas doesn't care about the 1:2 or 1:3
Look at the Shalit deal and previous swaps. This is nothing by comparison.
It's all about pausing the war and entering into a long term ceasefire.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6838 on: November 21, 2023, 08:26:55 PM »
Why not?
They still have most of the hostages (i.e leverage). The longer there is a pause (which they will likely try to extend), the harder is it for Israel to restart military operations. They also weaken whatever sympathy Israel has by showing how flexible and accommodating Hamas can be.

Btw, it's amazing how fast this turned into the 240 hostages and how/why/when the war is for. Did we forget about the 1,000+ who were butchered on 10/7?
That's exactly my point, it's only to save themselves.
And what's Israel's response to that obvious issue?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6839 on: November 21, 2023, 08:33:18 PM »
Why would Hamas agree to such a deal?
They don't care about humanitarian reasons.
They don't care about the woman and children in Israeli custody.
The only reason they would agree, is either to save themselves, or to help them kill more Yidden, or both.
No?
Can it simply be pressure from Qatar? I mean the Grand Puba is living there and is a dead man walking without Qatari protection.