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Author Topic: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread  (Read 1388839 times)

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6840 on: November 21, 2023, 08:37:54 PM »
Read the thread:


Just like I said:

Israel has been telling them they have all the leverage. As soon as Israel admitted they’ll come to the table for a discussion on 50 100 hostages, Hamas has been pushing the envelope on what they can get in exchange for that.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6841 on: November 21, 2023, 08:54:31 PM »
I am guessing that one of the key reasons for the approval is the realization that Hamas doesn't even know where all the hostages are.

It was said that they offered in advance of Oct. 7th $10,000 + a free apartment per captive. It seems like more than a few "innocent Gazans" (as well as PIJ) decided to take them up on the offer (and given the constant bombardment weren't able to cash in on the offer).
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6842 on: November 21, 2023, 08:58:58 PM »
I am guessing that one of the key reasons for the approval is the realization that Hamas doesn't even know where all the hostages are.

It was said that they offered in advance of Oct. 7th $10,000 + a free apartment per captive. It seems like more than a few "innocent Gazans" (as well as PIJ) decided to take them up on the offer (and given the constant bombardment weren't able to cash in on the offer).

Now that’s a scary thought on so many levels.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6843 on: November 21, 2023, 09:10:44 PM »
What happens if Hamas (mostly) trickles out foreign/Non-Jewish/Non-Israeli nationals to fulfill its commitment to 50, under the guise that these are the hostages they were able to locate?
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6845 on: November 21, 2023, 09:12:53 PM »
Now that’s a scary thought on so many levels.

I can't imagine any other reason for this Chamberlain type agreement.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6846 on: November 21, 2023, 09:15:57 PM »
Read the thread:
https://x.com/levanonisrael/status/1726996353946193978
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6847 on: November 21, 2023, 09:39:35 PM »
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1727146953350238589
What boggles my mind is 3 to 1 ratio. At least it wasn’t 1000 to 1 like last time.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6848 on: November 21, 2023, 09:49:05 PM »
I am guessing that one of the key reasons for the approval is the realization that Hamas doesn't even know where all the hostages are.

It was said that they offered in advance of Oct. 7th $10,000 + a free apartment per captive. It seems like more than a few "innocent Gazans" (as well as PIJ) decided to take them up on the offer (and given the constant bombardment weren't able to cash in on the offer).

#10 seems consistent with my guess. "Creating necessary conditions for return of hostages".

Kastel has the full government decision on his Telegram channel. It approves release of up to 300 prisoners in exchange for 100 Israeli hostages. (Released hostages must be Israeli citizens/permanent residents).

ETA: This is the security assessment by the national security apparatus, which is annexed to the government decision.


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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6849 on: November 21, 2023, 09:51:30 PM »
#10 seems consistent with my guess. "Creating necessary conditions for return of hostages".
Is there an English version of this?
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6850 on: November 21, 2023, 09:53:24 PM »
Is there an English version of this?

Not that I am aware of. This is a government decision security assessment by the national security council, not some kind of press release. It also refers to several classified annexes.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6851 on: November 21, 2023, 10:18:41 PM »
Is there an English version of this?

I'll do #10 for you:

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In accordance with the classified analysis detailed in the position of the security organizations, the outline for the release of the Israeli hostages enables realization of one of the war's goals - creating the conditions for the return of the hostages to Israel. At the same time, it is made clear that after completing the execution of said outline, the operations seeking to reach the stated goal of the war in destroying the capabilities and the governance & organizational infrastructure of Hamas and PIJ shall continue.

Here's Google Lens for comparison:


@CountValentine as you see Google translation doesn't differ much from my human shot. I think it can be used in most cases.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6852 on: November 21, 2023, 10:22:38 PM »
Kastel points out to a paragraph in the government decision that limits the deal to 10 days, after which the deal is over. He says that this is what swayed ציונות דתית to vote in favor.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6853 on: November 21, 2023, 10:44:51 PM »
Nice compilation of the opinions of many גדולי ישראל regarding freeing terrorists for hostages from when it was on the table by Entebbe:
pages 14-21
https://tablet.otzar.org/#/book/643673/p/14/t/17006245049801234/fs/0/start/0/end/0/c

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6854 on: November 21, 2023, 10:45:27 PM »
Worthy repost
Nice. One of the threads I never check (no particular reason).

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6855 on: November 21, 2023, 10:46:53 PM »
And this from Amichai Stein:
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כך נראה השבוע וחצי האחרונים של המו"מ ע"פ גורם אמריקני

ישראל הבהירה כי העסקה חייבת לכלול את כל הנשים והילדים ושעל חמאס להעביר סימני חיים אולם חמאס הסכים בתחילה רק לשחרור עשרה חטופים.

ב-12 בנובמבר שוחח ביידן עם אמיר קטאר והבהיר לו כי מספר זה אינו מספיק. ״זו היתה שיחה קשה ואינטנסיבית״

בעקבות השיחה, הסכים חמאס למסור פרטים על כל ה-50.

ב-17 בנובמבר, אחרי נתק של כמה ימים בין קטאר לחמאס, שוחח ביידן שוב עם אמיר קטאר ואמר לו שהגיע הזמן לסגור עיסקה.

אחרי השיחה נפגשו נציגי הצדדים בדוחא וניסחו מסמך בן 5-6 עמודים המפרט את ההסכם.

התשובות הסופיות התקבלו ב-19 בנובמבר אחרי שיחה של הבכיר במועצה לביטחון לאומי מקגורק עם ראש המודיעין המצרי.

Given the proof above that Google does a mostly decent job in translating, I won't bother to do so myself.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6856 on: November 21, 2023, 11:00:16 PM »
Here's Google Lens for comparison:
Thanks, able to post page 1 like that?
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« Reply #6858 on: November 21, 2023, 11:08:56 PM »
Thanks, able to post page 1 like that?

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