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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6860 on: November 21, 2023, 11:43:09 PM »
https://twitter.com/ChayaRaichik10/status/1727056882978967895

The way the questions are being asked and the way he's answering leads one to believe that he's a genuine civilian. How and why is he in Israeli custody? How many more like him are in Israeli custody? If they determine he's a civilian, what do they do with him? Send him back to Gaza? Keep holding him even though he's not a threat?

Just random questions...
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6861 on: November 22, 2023, 03:19:04 AM »
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6864 on: November 22, 2023, 04:00:43 AM »
Very very frustrating!
Though didn't expect otherwise, "Women and children terrorists" aren't sitting in prison for tax fraud...

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6866 on: November 22, 2023, 08:19:38 AM »
I've been truly surprised at the "not-so-anti-Israel" approach CNN has taken this whole time and this is no exception https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/22/media/jake-tapper-challenges-covering-war/index.html
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6867 on: November 22, 2023, 08:49:02 AM »
Thread by one of the most cool-headed, reasonable, and smart Israelis I follow. Worth reading the entire thread.

https://x.com/mk1956/status/1727248997814096376?s=20
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6869 on: November 22, 2023, 08:51:47 AM »


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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6871 on: November 22, 2023, 09:23:43 AM »


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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6872 on: November 22, 2023, 09:54:13 AM »
How can you guys be saying to leave pre-school kids as hostages?
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6873 on: November 22, 2023, 09:58:41 AM »
How can you guys be saying to leave pre-school kids as hostages?
Of course every Yid is precious and the current situation pains us tremendously, but if Hamas offered one preschool kid hostage back for a full withdrawal and release of all Palestinian prisoners, would you accept it?

What if they offered 50 hostages for 150 prisoners and a 5-day pause?

There is a price and balance (morally, ethically, politically and halachically) for all these scenarios...
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6874 on: November 22, 2023, 09:59:18 AM »
How can you guys be saying to leave pre-school kids as hostages?

Please elaborate?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6875 on: November 22, 2023, 10:00:12 AM »
Thread by one of the most cool-headed, reasonable, and smart Israelis I follow. Worth reading the entire thread.

He says:
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ובהתאם גם צוצמו משמעותית דרישות החמאס.

Any more details on this? Seems to contradict this take:

Read the thread:

The only thing that seems to have been mitigated is release of convicted terrorists who actually murdered, the list contains, at worst, terrorists who are convicted of attempted murder.
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« Reply #6876 on: November 22, 2023, 10:00:18 AM »
Why would Hamas agree to such a deal?
They don't care about humanitarian reasons.
They don't care about the woman and children in Israeli custody.
The only reason they would agree, is either to save themselves, or to help them kill more Yidden, or both.
No?
IMO when Hamas attacked they expected initial heavy support from the West Bank, Hezbollah, and Iran possibly turning into Jordan and Egypt as well. When that didn’t work out (and their plan worked better than expected from their own end) and Israel retaliated this strongly they have been retreating since and trying to figure out how to survive.

It’s likely that Israel is very close to reaching the hostages in any case and they are making significant headway in dismantling Hamas leadership and infrastructure. Israelis are making their way through the door under Shifa as we speak which is likely where the hostages are being kept. Once they’re inside, Hamas will be forced to execute them or let them go, both options don’t help them at all and make them look weak and beaten. By letting them go and obtaining releases from Israel they can claim victory on that front while simultaneously buying time to extricate their remaining leaders such as Sinwar and possibly extending the ceasefire and influencing public opinion long enough that Israel mostly backs down.

Without as many hostages (especially women and children) Israel’s mission is less clear to the world, they will have much less support in general (already true) due to the long period of time since October 7, and once there’s an extended pause it’s always difficult to restart at full strength. I’m near certain Israel will reoccupy Gaza, get Egypt to occupy and take military responsibility, or at a minimum have a peacekeeping corps from other countries take responsibility. They have achieved many of their actual missions in this war and dismantling Hamas fully isn’t realistic- for every terrorist killed 2 more are happy to take his place.

Ultimately, nothing will bring back the hundreds of Neshamos they slaughtered. But whatever they could have hoped to achieve, they already mostly have. Just killing more Hamas members isn’t as productive as it sounds. I’m sure they would like a piece of Sinwar though.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6877 on: November 22, 2023, 10:01:17 AM »
Of course every Yid is precious and the current situation pains us tremendously, but if Hamas offered on preschool kid hostage back for a full withdrawal and release of all Palestinian prisoners, would you accept it?

What if they offered 50 hostages for 150 prisoners and a 5-day pause?

There is a price and balance(morally, ethically, politically and halachically) for all these scenarios...

Yes it depends on who is getting released and how it affects their longer term objective. They apparently feel it worthwhile. I suspect they will be gathering TONS of intel during this pause.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6878 on: November 22, 2023, 10:02:07 AM »
How can you guys be saying to leave pre-school kids as hostages?

How can you say to release terrorists who attempted murder just a few months ago?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #6879 on: November 22, 2023, 10:03:53 AM »
How can you say to release terrorists who attempted murder just a few months ago?

Sometimes difficult decisions need to be made to save these kids. The odds of getting them back through military ops is not high. They are more likely to try and kill them c"v before getting captured.
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