Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[AsherO]

ROI is measured based on the goal of the investor. For many investors, it has been a smashing success.

The tweet is referring to humanitarian funding, not state funding of the terrorist enterprise. When it comes to the humanitarian issue, it's been  an abject failure. Throwing money at the problem of Palestinian suffering has only exacerbated it.

[yuneeq]

I can see both sides of the argument on how to interpret this:
1. Giving them a win is the last thing we need.
2. We're getting what we want and giving them relative/percieved wins that we can compensate for, so it's worth it.

Ideologically I lean towards the former, but realisitically hoping for the latter considering nobody cares what I think anyway

I don’t think he was offering an opinion, just facts. But my take on it is like #2. Let them feel like they won, and let them delude themselves into believing there will be a long term ceasefire. The surprise of the ensuing destruction of Hamas will make it all a bit sweeter.

[avromie7]

I’m not sure you’re correct. Shalit costed a thousand prisoners with blood on their hands. I don’t think there’s much more value to Hamas with 240 than with 24. How does the scale tip Israel’s way if they start killing hostages? Au contrare. Killing x amount of hostages daily that a deal isn’t reached would probably up the ante for Israel tremendously.

If they kill the hostages, Israel can destroy them without worrying about the hostages. Obviously losing the hostages is a loss, but the rest of the war can be more intense without hostages around. If they keep just a few hostages alive as human shields and bargaining chips, it's easier for Israel to find and track their locations and work on an operation to extract them.

The value is definitely not the same for 24 vs 240, because they can get concessions for hostages 25-240. They may not get the same as the would for the last remaining hostage, but they definitely have a benefit from it and Israel needs to give them enough that it's worthwhile for them to release the hostages instead of killing them.

[yuneeq]

The tweet is referring to humanitarian funding

[AsherO]

This sounds like Manis’ Friedman’s position that it isn’t Hamas that’s evil, it’s the entire world that’s evil. I prefer not to believe that’s the case.

[AsherO]

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1727584954966589478

If the temporary ceasefire ends up going down, initiatives like this are a great way for Israel to make good use of that time

[ExGingi]

https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1727697064027472057

[AsherO]

https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1727697064027472057

The Israelis should stall the same, and not allow a single truck of fuel into Gaza until the first batch of hostages are released. If Hamas will try to move the goalposts, Israel should as well.

I don’t know how the list of 300 prisoners is structured, but if possible within the terms of the deal, I hope Israel moves the worst terrorists to the bottom of the list to reduce the likelihood of them being released in case Hamas doesn’t hold up its end of the deal.

[luckyluck]

https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1725995326123720887?s=09

[AsherO]

https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1725995326123720887?s=09

“All Fords are cars, not all cars are Fords”

[justaregularguy]

“All Fords are cars, not all cars are Fords”

not true. One was a President.

[S209]

“All Fords are cars, not all cars are Fords”

The quote isn’t clear but the clip is.

[AsherO]

The quote isn’t clear but the clip is.

I didn't watch it and was commenting on the caption.

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/chayesmatthew/status/1727707695510163923

[Just A Jew]

https://twitter.com/chayesmatthew/status/1727707695510163923

Should have just let them get run over.

[TimT]

Should have just let them get run over.

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1727716425966518375

[yelped]

https://twitter.com/chayesmatthew/status/1727707695510163923

Losers. I love how the woke have joined hands with the most primitive society on earth.

[JMHO]

https://twitter.com/chayesmatthew/status/1727707695510163923

Who cares? Just ignore them and leave them there...

[Yehudaa]

Losers. I love how the woke have joined hands with the most primitive society on earth.

For some time now, I've been thinking that tolerance vs intolerance might be circular, like a clock. If 12:00 is intolerance, then as you go around the clock becoming more and more tolerant, you slowly approach that 12:00 mark again. When you become so tolerant that you tolerate evil in all forms, you're back at 12:00.

There's gotta be a way to depict this better on a graphic, but that's not my thing.

/.02

[yuneeq]

This sounds like Manis’ Friedman’s position that it isn’t Hamas that’s evil, it’s the entire world that’s evil. I prefer not to believe that’s the case.

Not the entire world, and not every humanitarian group. But some of the biggest like the UN/UNRWA, WHO, and others most definitely are.