Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[Just A Jew]

I am wondering whether the Rabbonim that ruled on the deal, for the members of the cabinet that asked, we're given an opportunity to hear from Eliyah Yusian, Tzvi Yechezkeli and Yoseph Haddad or only from military experts that seemingly missed or dismissed the threats and risks of Oct 7.

What have those 3 said publicly about this deal?

[ExGingi]

What have those 3 said publicly about this deal?

I don't think they are qualified to say anything publicly, as they are probably not privvy to all details. The point is that their experience and knowledge of how the Arabs operate should be taken into consideration.

[gozalim]

Gov certainly not going to send them to random civilians whose opinion you (and I) happen to value.
If the rabbi is thorough, he'll do his own research, with who he feels is qualified.

[AsherO]

Gov certainly not going to send them to random civilians whose opinion you (and I) happen to value.
If the rabbi is thorough, he'll do his own research, with who he feels is qualified.

I don’t think those three are “random civilians”, particularly not Yosian who worked in Israeli intelligence for years

[imayid2]

[UKinNYS]

'When it comes to Jewish blood, the Red Cross disappears'
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/380851

Keep in mind we are talking about this organization

[ExGingi]

Gov certainly not going to send them to random civilians whose opinion you (and I) happen to value.
If the rabbi is thorough, he'll do his own research, with who he feels is qualified.

I have a bridge to sell you (Black Friday special).

Do you think Rabbonim who ruled for giving away "land-for-peace" didn't care about Pikuach Nefesh? They were busy learning and listened to whatever their appointed askonim brought back to them as research.

The Rebbe didn't rely on askonim in formulating an opinion regarding this.

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1728102369785966910

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1728129237498933532

[ExGingi]

Should we refrain from re-posting here tweets and news sources that were written by yidden who were mechalel Shabbos writing/photographing/filming them? Do we need to wait בכדי שיעשה on מוצש"ק to use those?

[imayid2]

Should we refrain from re-posting here tweets and news sources that were written by yidden who were mechalel Shabbos writing/photographing/filming them? Do we need to wait בכדי שיעשה on מוצש"ק to use those?

Yes

[yuneeq]

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1728102489654763598

“Israel has released a Statement announcing the Names of the 13 Israeli Citizens who have been Released from Hamas Captivity today, they include:

The Asher Family from Nir Oz:
- Doron Katz-Asher (34 Years Old)
- Raz Asher (4 Years Old)
- Aviv Asher (2 Years Old)

The Aloni Family from Nir Oz:
- Daniel Aloni (45 Years Old)
- Amelia Aloni (5 Years Old)

The Monder Famiky from Nir Oz:
- Ruth Munder (78 Years Old)
- Keren Monder (54 Years Old)
- Ohad Monder (9 Years Old)

- Adina Moshe (72 Years Old)
- Hana Katzir (76 Years Old)
- Margalit Mozes (77 Years Old)
- Hanna Perry (79 Years Old)
- Yaffe Adar (85 Years Old)”

Didn't see this mentioned - Yaffa Adar is the Holocaust survivor that was abducted

[AsherO]

https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1728086759626481947

Interesting thread

[ExGingi]

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1728129237498933532

He says he doesn’t trust Hamas (rightfully so) and knows that they only respond to pressure. Yet, rather than insisting on intensifying the pressure until Hamas relents (which I am guessing is what Yusian, Yechezkeli and Haddad would recommend), they are giving them concessions!

What am I missing?

[AsherO]

He says he doesn’t trust Hamas (rightfully so) and knows that they only respond to pressure. Yet, rather than insisting on intensifying the pressure until Hamas relents (which I am guessing is what Yusian, Yechezkeli and Haddad would recommend), they are giving them concessions!

What am I missing?

Typical politician, talking out of both sides of his mouth.

[ExGingi]

Typical politician, talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Simultaneously!

[imayid2]

https://open.substack.com/pub/futureofjewish/p/how-hidden-asymmetries-led-to-a-horrible

[M3B3LY]

Should we refrain from re-posting here tweets and news sources that were written by yidden who were mechalel Shabbos writing/photographing/filming them? Do we need to wait בכדי שיעשה on מוצש"ק to use those?

How do you know they were mechalel shabbos? Perhaps it was a scheduled post? Maybe they have a shabbos goy managing their social media? Or there's a yid in a different time zone posting for them? I'm sure there are other probabilities that I haven't thought of...

You gotta give them the benefit of doubt

[Moshe Green]

You gotta give them the benefit of doubt

No, you don't. Someone who has been Mechallel Shabbos Befarhesia for the last 30 years can be assumed to have been Mechallel Shabbos this time as well.

[Kobe Bryant]