Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[ExGingi]

And here is how it is all perceived in the eyes of the IslamoNazis of Hamas.

https://x.com/amit_segal/status/1752035633479000562?s=20

[ExGingi]

[ExGingi]

And here is how it is all perceived in the eyes of the IslamoNazis of Hamas.

https://x.com/amit_segal/status/1752035633479000562?s=20

https://x.com/AmatziaSamkai/status/1752047728710881413?s=20

[ExGingi]

[yawn]

The outcry over these conditions puts pressure on the hostage protestors.

There are 3 types of protestors.
Those who have family and friends held hostage- their feelings don't care about your facts.
Those who hate Bibi more than they love Israel, and will protest anything he does- this deal is a win-win for them because it'll make him look bad.
Those who actually believe that a hostage deal at all costs is a good idea- this will put pressure on them, but they are likely a minority presence in the protest scene.

[ExGingi]

Those who actually believe that a hostage deal at all costs is a good idea- this will put pressure on them, but they are likely a minority presence in the protest scene.

At all costs? How can that be a good idea for any reasonable person? It can just make the cost go up exponentially without limits!

https://x.com/Torat_IDF/status/1750246080602624304?s=20

And from "Adam Gold's" telegram channel:

https://t.me/Adam_Gold/4083

וגם היום צריך להזכיר שמחאת משפחות החטופים והלוחמים שחוסמות העברת ציוד ואספקה לנאצים דרך כרם שלום - עד שאחרון החטופים ישוחרר - היא פעולה מדהימה שמסייעת פי כמה וכמה לחטופים (ולאינטרסים נוספים של מדינת ישראל)
מאשר הפגנות מופרעות שהלכה למעשה מפצירות בסינוואר להעלות את המחיר עד לאינסוף.
(וזה קצת עצוב אבל צריך להגיד את האמת הברורה. בסוף, כולנו מבינים שחלק מהחטופים שנרצחו איבדו את חייהם על בסיס הנחת סינוואר לפיה זה לא באמת משנה כמה חטופים חיים יוותרו ברשותו -  כי בכל מקרה תנאי העסקה יהיו שווים. המפגינים צועקים להחזיר "בכל מחיר", לא?)

and

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1752090889021706535

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/Jewtastic/status/1752205806664335367
https://twitter.com/GOPIsrael/status/1752207903941902625

They were planning a massive attack but fortunately developed a bad case of lead poisoning.

[JMHO]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/29/israel-military-operation-destroys-gaza-cemetery-it-says-was-used-to-hide-a-tunnel-00138436

The Palestinian health ministry is reporting hundreds of bodies recovered

[Sammy82]

https://twitter.com/Jewtastic/status/1752205806664335367
https://twitter.com/GOPIsrael/status/1752207903941902625

They were planning a massive attack but fortunately developed a bad case of lead poisoning.

Wild

[Moshe Green]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/29/israel-military-operation-destroys-gaza-cemetery-it-says-was-used-to-hide-a-tunnel-00138436

The Palestinian health ministry is reporting hundreds of bodies recovered

"After digging for hours in a bombed Gazan cemetery, the Hamas, I'm sorry, Gaza Health Ministry has uncovered 1,000's of bodies, all murdered by the genocidal Israeli Army. As the digging continues, many more thousands are expected to be found. Back to you Bob."

[aygart]

How many contradictions can you find between Palestinian statements?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68137050

[AsherO]

Now there’s another deal circulating in Arab-language media. A pause of 45 days, with a single hostage released daily and a ratio of 30 terrorists released for each hostage (1:30). Other concessions including the IDF pulling back from Gazan cities (but not from the entire Strip), negotiations about the civil administration of Gaza, the UN sending personnel to inspect northern Gaza, aid, and other concessions.

Also an awful deal, Ben Givr threatens to leave the government over it.

[ExGingi]

Now there’s another deal circulating in Arab-language media. A pause of 45 days, with a single hostage released daily and a ratio of 30 terrorists released for each hostage (1:30). Other concessions including the IDF pulling back from Gazan cities (but not from the entire Strip), negotiations about the civil administration of Gaza, the UN sending personnel to inspect northern Gaza, aid, and other concessions.

Also an awful deal, Ben Givr threatens to leave the government over it.

The UN? Seriously? After everyone is starting to realize the truth about UNRWA (and to a lesser degree UNIFIL)?

[ExGingi]

How many contradictions can you find between Palestinian statements?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68137050

There's a thread for forum games. And one for riddles.

[Traveler718]

Fascinating development (which also shows us that there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than the MSM and SM experts tell us). Hopefully this ability to engage Hamas in the tunnels will be a game-changer in terms of locating Sinwar and crew who until now felt safe down there, and up the pressure on them to negotiate for the release of the remaining hostages:

https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1752369594801733816

Full statement: *Cleared for Publication: During the war, the IDF has implemented new capabilities to neutralize underground terrorist infrastructure in the Gaza Strip by channeling large volumes of water into the tunnels*

In cooperation between units in the IDF and the Ministry of Defense, various tools were developed to channel large volumes of water into Hamas’ terror tunnels in the Gaza Strip. This is part of a range of tools deployed by the IDF to neutralize the threat of Hamas’ subterranean network of tunnels.

These capabilities consist of installing pumps and pipes, the materialization of engineering developments, and the ability to locate tunnel shafts suitable for the deployment of these tools. The capability was developed in a professional capacity, including analysis of the soil characteristics and the water systems in the area to ensure that damage is not done to the area's groundwater. The pumping of water was only carried out in tunnel routes and locations that were suitable, matching the method of operation to each case.

This project was developed following combat procedures, accelerated force-building efforts, and while training forces with technological expertise. This tool is one of a range of capabilities developed by the IDF and Israel’s security establishment in recent years in order to operate against Hamas' underground infrastructure in the Gaza Strip. These efforts against Hamas include air strikes, underground combat operations, and special operations with technological assets.

This tool represents a significant engineering and technological breakthrough in combating the threat of underground terror infrastructure and is the result of a collaborative effort between various bodies in Israel’s security establishment.

[AsherO]

The UN? Seriously? After everyone is starting to realize the truth about UNRWA (and to a lesser degree UNIFIL)?

Perfect timing to introduce it. As the memories and sympathies of Oct. 7th fade, the international support for Israel (or lack thereof) is an important lever for Hamas to play.

[AsherO]

Fascinating development (which also shows us that there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than the MSM and SM experts tell us). Hopefully this ability to engage Hamas in the tunnels will be a game-changer in terms of locating Sinwar and crew who until now felt safe down there, and up the pressure on them to negotiate for the release of the remaining hostages:

https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1752369594801733816

Full statement: *Cleared for Publication: During the war, the IDF has implemented new capabilities to neutralize underground terrorist infrastructure in the Gaza Strip by channeling large volumes of water into the tunnels*

In cooperation between units in the IDF and the Ministry of Defense, various tools were developed to channel large volumes of water into Hamas’ terror tunnels in the Gaza Strip. This is part of a range of tools deployed by the IDF to neutralize the threat of Hamas’ subterranean network of tunnels.

These capabilities consist of installing pumps and pipes, the materialization of engineering developments, and the ability to locate tunnel shafts suitable for the deployment of these tools. The capability was developed in a professional capacity, including analysis of the soil characteristics and the water systems in the area to ensure that damage is not done to the area's groundwater. The pumping of water was only carried out in tunnel routes and locations that were suitable, matching the method of operation to each case.

This project was developed following combat procedures, accelerated force-building efforts, and while training forces with technological expertise. This tool is one of a range of capabilities developed by the IDF and Israel’s security establishment in recent years in order to operate against Hamas' underground infrastructure in the Gaza Strip. These efforts against Hamas include air strikes, underground combat operations, and special operations with technological assets.

This tool represents a significant engineering and technological breakthrough in combating the threat of underground terror infrastructure and is the result of a collaborative effort between various bodies in Israel’s security establishment.

I don’t see how a tool we’ve known about for months which only has limited utility is a game changer.

[Moshe Green]

I don’t see how a tool we’ve known about for months which only has limited utility is a game changer.

if they have been holding off using it for months because they were waiting for the government to ok it and now they got the ok, even if this helps with 20% of the tunnels it makes things much more easier and safe...

[AsherO]

if they have been holding off using it for months because they were waiting for the government to ok it and now they got the ok, even if this helps with 20% of the tunnels it makes things much more easier and safe...

No reports on what percentage of tunnels it works for or whether it’s a permanent measure that destroys or just renders the tunnels (and their inhabitants/contents) inoperable. I don’t see it as a game changer, certainly not if it only works on 20% of the tunnels. It’s another tool in Israel’s arsenal, always good to have more options.