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Author Topic: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread  (Read 1568429 times)

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9460 on: March 20, 2024, 12:33:51 PM »
watched a couple of minutes - the faces of evil! i cant.
Now with English subtitles. Not sure where/how it was trimmed. Original is 50+ minutes long.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9464 on: March 20, 2024, 01:04:11 PM »
Hadn't Israel already cleared Shifa? How were they able to return?

Click on "show more" on the tweet to see the entire story.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9465 on: March 20, 2024, 01:39:16 PM »
Acc. to Feiglin the US is pressuring Israel NOT to admit foreign workers which will undercut the demand for PA workers.
Also, he notes (based on IDF source) that there are 800k ppl in gaza not 2 million.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C4vZX3pOX4v/

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9466 on: March 20, 2024, 02:07:10 PM »
Also, he notes (based on IDF source) that there are 800k ppl in gaza not 2 million.
yeah, thats cause israel killed 1.2 million of 'em.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9467 on: March 20, 2024, 02:12:48 PM »
Hadn't Israel already cleared Shifa? How were they able to return?
Shifa is a microcosm of this stupidly run war. Talk about capturing a place a month in advance. Wait for the bigshots to escape with captives. Capture the place while sustaining losses. Talk about next place. Wait for all assets to leave  Desert 1st place to go capture the next one .Terrorists return. Repeat.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9468 on: March 20, 2024, 02:15:08 PM »
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9469 on: March 20, 2024, 02:15:57 PM »
Shifa is a microcosm of this stupidly run war. Talk about capturing a place a month in advance. Wait for the bigshots to escape with captives. Capture the place while sustaining losses. Talk about next place. Wait for all assets to leave  Desert 1st place to go capture the next one .Terrorists return. Repeat.
Enticing hundreds of terrorists to group together in one place is a good tactic.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9470 on: March 20, 2024, 02:21:40 PM »
Shifa is a microcosm of this stupidly run war. Talk about capturing a place a month in advance. Wait for the bigshots to escape with captives. Capture the place while sustaining losses. Talk about next place. Wait for all assets to leave  Desert 1st place to go capture the next one .Terrorists return. Repeat.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9471 on: March 20, 2024, 02:50:06 PM »
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-792786
here are a couple of informative thoughts on the suspension from Jpost commenters:
Eylon Levy was brought up and educated in the UK (and we British Jews are very proud of him indeed). Being so, he’s more than well-versed in UK politico-speak, he knows all its prevarications and obfuscations and is undoubtedly just as ‘hacked off’ with it as all sensible people are here in the UK.
And so on reading Cameron’s self-righteous cant (and list of demands), he saw it all for what it was and in another moment of eyebrow-raising exasperation, called it out 👏 Politely, firmly and truthfully he called it out and petty Cameron objected.
I can’t altogether blame Bibi in the circumstances who’s having to tread a cautious path through daily minefields of the West’s lies and prevarications in order to do what needs to be done. Very difficult indeed. Having one of those mines apparently then blow up before his eyes won’t have helped.
Shame …. but then it is only a suspension. I guess Bibi’s been forced diplomatically to be seen to be remonstrating Levy? No doubt he agrees with him …. on the quiet that is 🤫 No saying that they’re not talking to each other at all.😏
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Nope. The reason he was sacked is simply because he was not authorised to respond to Cameron regarding the conversations between Cameron and Gantz. Gantz' trip to the UK and US two weeks ago were conducted against orders from his boss Bibi, therefore Gantz was speaking as a private citizen and a seditionist.
Levy, who spent the year leading up to the Oct 7 attack committing sedition (his involvement in the anti-Judicial Reform movement) against the elected gov't and people of Israel himself, putting wind in the sails of Hammas to launch their attack, gave Gantz legitimacy by responding to Cameron without authorization from Bibi, in direct contradiction to Bibi's stance. Take note that no one in the gov't has addressed the issue of Gantz' unsubordination or the content of his illegal talks in other countries on his trip abroad, for the very reason that to do so would give Gantz' legitimacy for his actions.
No one has condemned the content of Levy's Tweet. He is welcome to speak openly as a private citizen, but not as a gov't spokesman. He was simply fired for insubordination.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9472 on: March 20, 2024, 03:01:29 PM »
He used to be on CNN and other stations all the time.
@CountValentine was a fan.


I think I saw he became a fellow somewhere.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9475 on: March 20, 2024, 03:31:03 PM »
here are a couple of informative thoughts on the suspension from Jpost commenters:
Eylon Levy was brought up and educated in the UK (and we British Jews are very proud of him indeed). Being so, he’s more than well-versed in UK politico-speak, he knows all its prevarications and obfuscations and is undoubtedly just as ‘hacked off’ with it as all sensible people are here in the UK.
And so on reading Cameron’s self-righteous cant (and list of demands), he saw it all for what it was and in another moment of eyebrow-raising exasperation, called it out 👏 Politely, firmly and truthfully he called it out and petty Cameron objected.
I can’t altogether blame Bibi in the circumstances who’s having to tread a cautious path through daily minefields of the West’s lies and prevarications in order to do what needs to be done. Very difficult indeed. Having one of those mines apparently then blow up before his eyes won’t have helped.
Shame …. but then it is only a suspension. I guess Bibi’s been forced diplomatically to be seen to be remonstrating Levy? No doubt he agrees with him …. on the quiet that is 🤫 No saying that they’re not talking to each other at all.😏
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Nope. The reason he was sacked is simply because he was not authorised to respond to Cameron regarding the conversations between Cameron and Gantz. Gantz' trip to the UK and US two weeks ago were conducted against orders from his boss Bibi, therefore Gantz was speaking as a private citizen and a seditionist.
Levy, who spent the year leading up to the Oct 7 attack committing sedition (his involvement in the anti-Judicial Reform movement) against the elected gov't and people of Israel himself, putting wind in the sails of Hammas to launch their attack, gave Gantz legitimacy by responding to Cameron without authorization from Bibi, in direct contradiction to Bibi's stance. Take note that no one in the gov't has addressed the issue of Gantz' unsubordination or the content of his illegal talks in other countries on his trip abroad, for the very reason that to do so would give Gantz' legitimacy for his actions.
No one has condemned the content of Levy's Tweet. He is welcome to speak openly as a private citizen, but not as a gov't spokesman. He was simply fired for insubordination.

Both THEORIES are plausible, though the second one isn't accurate (as of yet) since the word is only that he was suspended.

I guess time MIGHT tell.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9476 on: March 20, 2024, 03:45:11 PM »
Both are ultra meh and would only result in suspension if Mrs. Netanyahu wanted him out anyways.

In any case, it's ridiculous and he should be reinstated immediately.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9477 on: March 20, 2024, 03:50:06 PM »
Both are ultra meh and would only result in suspension if Mrs. Netanyahu wanted him out anyways.

In any case, it's ridiculous and he should be reinstated immediately.

Why in the world would you think that Mrs. Netanyahu has any say in the matter?
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9478 on: March 20, 2024, 03:51:06 PM »
Why in the world would you think that Mrs. Netanyahu has any say in the matter?
Past history? :)

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #9479 on: March 20, 2024, 03:51:19 PM »
Why in the world would you think that Mrs. Netanyahu has any say in the matter?

Perhaps the Mr. doing the shady action under the Mrs.'s name