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Author Topic: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION  (Read 493340 times)

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1680 on: October 17, 2023, 03:30:45 PM »
This video is highly suspicious. How did the person recording know what to record before you could hear or see anything?

I'm not saying this was staged. The video might be from something else, edited etc. Has it been geolocated and verified as original?

All good questions, those things take time
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1681 on: October 17, 2023, 03:34:50 PM »
All good questions, those things take time
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1682 on: October 17, 2023, 03:40:37 PM »

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1683 on: October 17, 2023, 03:44:46 PM »
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1684 on: October 17, 2023, 03:49:52 PM »
This looks like a semi-official statement as hes  IDF spokesperson

https://twitter.com/LTCPeterLerner/status/1714365516595204189
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1687 on: October 17, 2023, 03:54:05 PM »
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1688 on: October 17, 2023, 03:55:21 PM »
https://x.com/idfonline/status/1714364835385823262

Identical text to the tweet quoted by the tweet I posted above, those are IDF spokespeople and this is their official account
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1689 on: October 17, 2023, 03:56:53 PM »
Who is the Islamic Jihad? IDF spokesman on CNN say with high confidence it was a failed missile attempt from them.

CNN asks can you say with 100% certainty it was not an IDF missile strike. Long answer but I took at as 99.9999% certainty.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1690 on: October 17, 2023, 03:58:20 PM »
Who is the Islamic Jihad? IDF spokesman on CNN say with high confidence it was a failed missile attempt from them.

https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/pij_fto.html

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1691 on: October 17, 2023, 03:58:23 PM »
Identical text to the tweet quoted by the tweet I posted above, those are IDF spokespeople and this is their official account
https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1714366327538794512

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1692 on: October 17, 2023, 03:58:48 PM »
Who is the Islamic Jihad? IDF spokesman on CNN say with high confidence it was a failed missile attempt from them.
They're a smaller terrorist group operating in Gaza.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1693 on: October 17, 2023, 04:00:09 PM »
There's Israel, which does almost anything possible to avoid civilian deaths on BOTH sides of the border, and Hamas, which has a history of killing civilians without thinking twice. So aside from pure hate, why would people's initial assumption be that Israel would hit a hospital? Of course, mistakes could happen to anybody but even then, you have Israel with precise technology and Hamas that randomly shoots off homemade missiles. So again, aside from 100% hate, why would anybody's initial thought go anywhere that this was an Israeli attack and not Hamas?
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1694 on: October 17, 2023, 04:01:39 PM »
Who is the Islamic Jihad? IDF spokesman on CNN say with high confidence it was a failed missile attempt from them.

CNN asks can you say with 100% certainty it was not an IDF missile strike. Long answer but I took at as 99.9999% certainty.
I always believe to get all sides. If this guy is BSing he has me fooled.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1695 on: October 17, 2023, 04:02:12 PM »
even if its proven to be from Hamas, these haters will never acknowledge it. the damage was done

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1696 on: October 17, 2023, 04:04:21 PM »
You think it would be a good idea to see what happened first?

Again, yes. But here is a partial list of what we know for certain:

Hamas claims an Israeli airstrike hit the hospital
IDF spokesperson claims there were no IDF operations in that area at the time of the strike
IDF spokesperson claims there were other rockets launched by PIJ* toward Israel passing over the hospital at the same time. *This is significant, they aren't just blaming Hamas, which would be the easy way out. They would appear to have intelligence that makes them sure it was PIJ and not Hamas.
IDF has a stated policy of not targeting hospitals. This is despite clear evidence of Hamas headquarters being located in a hospital, Israel has never attacked it. (clear evidence includes documentaries by mainstream press)
IDF has admitted to mistakes in the past, including striking places that were not the intended target.
Rockets fired toward Israel often land within Gaza, by most estimates the rate is around 30%
Hamas bombed its own civilians trying to escape Gaza just yesterday.
No rocket or airstrike alone would have inflicted the kind of damage and casualties being reported. There had to have been something else at play, such as munition storage in the hospital.

So please, help me out of my echo chamber and add to this list with facts or claims that could lead me to a different conclusion.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1697 on: October 17, 2023, 04:06:01 PM »
https://twitter.com/gershuni/status/1714362618859688290

Translated from Hebrew by
According to the tremendous leverage that Hamas is making of the explosion at the hospital -
in the mobilization of the international media and the eagerness of the Arabs in the world to attack Jews -
there is reason to hypothesize that the whole thing was done with deliberate intent from the beginning and it was not a rocket that *accidentally* exploded on the hospital

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1698 on: October 17, 2023, 04:07:13 PM »
We might never know with 100% certainty who's rocket hit the hospital, but we already know with 100% certainty who's benefiting from the strike.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #1699 on: October 17, 2023, 04:07:46 PM »
There's Israel, which does almost anything possible to avoid civilian deaths on BOTH sides of the border, and Hamas, which has a history of killing civilians without thinking twice. So aside from pure hate, why would people's initial assumption be that Israel would hit a hospital? Of course, mistakes could happen to anybody but even then, you have Israel with precise technology and Hamas that randomly shoots off homemade missiles. So again, aside from 100% hate, why would anybody's initial thought go anywhere that this was an Israeli attack and not Hamas?
@CountValentine You sometimes bring clarity. Could you please explain to me (in all seriousness)?
Initial thought for me was a terrible mistake by Israel (low probability) to Hamas screwing up (high probability). There was no reason to jump to either of those without waiting a few minutes.

Now we find out everyone posting was wrong. It was another group. I don't think this can get anymore insane.
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