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Author Topic: Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread  (Read 1505533 times)

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2380 on: October 19, 2023, 12:22:52 PM »
Any opinions on tweeting this from the DD twitter account?

It really disturbs me, I haven't see anyone talking about this aspect of it.
Send it to Hillel, Arsen, Hillel, Torrie Ritches and others to post. They can amplify it.

This is basic, but don't think you're going get much traction with the right people by posting it on DD account anyways.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2381 on: October 19, 2023, 12:23:24 PM »
This is what shocks me most about the Islamic Jihad caused al-Ahli Hopital tragedy.

One rocket killed what seems to be 250-500 people.

Hamas & Islamic Jihad have targeted civilians and fired over 4,500 rockets at Israel in the past week.

Every single one of those rockets has the power to kill up to 500 civilians.

That means they have fired rockets capable of killing 2,250,000 civilians.


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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2382 on: October 19, 2023, 12:24:23 PM »
Send it to Hillel, Arsen, Hillel, Torrie Ritches and others to post. They can amplify it.

This is basic, but don't think you're going get much traction with the right people by posting it on DD account anyways.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2383 on: October 19, 2023, 12:24:44 PM »
One rocket killed what seems to be 250-500 people.

Did it though?

You can make your point without building towers on this misinformation.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2384 on: October 19, 2023, 12:25:44 PM »
Any opinions on tweeting this from the DD twitter account?
You are taking liberty with numbers, but your point is valid.
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« Reply #2385 on: October 19, 2023, 12:27:02 PM »
Did it though?

You can make your point without building towers on this misinformation.
From what I see, low end estimates are 250 high end at 500.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2386 on: October 19, 2023, 12:28:18 PM »

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2387 on: October 19, 2023, 12:29:40 PM »
From what I see, low end estimates are 250 high end at 500.

Whose estimates? MSM echoing Hamas’ “Health Ministry”?
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« Reply #2388 on: October 19, 2023, 12:30:34 PM »
From what I see, low end estimates are 250 high end at 500.
...but to come to 2.2m civilians? Two atomic bombs didn't killed nowhere near that many. It won't seem credible and your point will be lost IMHO.
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« Reply #2389 on: October 19, 2023, 12:35:53 PM »
...but to come to 2.2m civilians? Two atomic bombs didn't killed nowhere near that many. It won't seem credible and your point will be lost IMHO.

Because Pallywood Productions are extremely credible.  :P
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« Reply #2390 on: October 19, 2023, 12:37:53 PM »
The original is much better than the translation.

Obviously.

On a large screen, I usually follow along with the translation, noting edits, inaccuracies, etc. but I watched this on my phone, and the text was just too small for me to be bothered.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2391 on: October 19, 2023, 12:42:27 PM »
Any opinions on tweeting this from the DD twitter account?

It really disturbs me, I haven't see anyone talking about this aspect of it.
If you're asking me, don't.

The overall notion is valid; but I think the numbers are wayyyy off.

The ONLY source that hundreds were killed is Hamas. I don't believe them that a single person died, let alone 100's. The only reason to believe that people were killed is because the photographic evidence clearly shows that something did indeed happen in the parking lot. Could be 10 could be 100, we don't know.

Additionally, even of it were a mass casualty event on large scale, it was only exacerbated because it was filled with civilians. Their rockets most certainly do not have the fire power to case 100's of deaths, unless in a packed arena. So to use 250-500 as the baseline is a mathematical fallacy.

However, the point that should be made is that, strangely, once it became clear that Israel hasn't done it, the fact that a hospital was attacked no longer seems to alarming.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2392 on: October 19, 2023, 12:44:30 PM »
...but to come to 2.2m civilians? Two atomic bombs didn't killed nowhere near that many. It won't seem credible and your point will be lost IMHO.

Compared to thousands of rockets?
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« Reply #2393 on: October 19, 2023, 12:45:53 PM »
Compared to thousands of rockets?
It could be raining out but if you have an umbrella, you won't get wet.  :)
If you want to go with facts, then there rockets each kill less than one person on average.
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« Reply #2394 on: October 19, 2023, 12:47:58 PM »
It could be raining out but if you have an umbrella, you won't get wet.  :)
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2395 on: October 19, 2023, 12:48:23 PM »
It could be raining out but if you have an umbrella, you won't get as wet.  :)

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« Reply #2396 on: October 19, 2023, 12:48:53 PM »
No doubt liberties taken with numbers. It's to show a point obviously.

Makes it sound hyperbolic
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« Reply #2397 on: October 19, 2023, 12:49:34 PM »
No doubt liberties taken with numbers. It's to show a point obviously.
The atrocities are so bad you don't need to take any liberties.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2398 on: October 19, 2023, 12:52:25 PM »
Compared to thousands of rockets?
Please, you don't believe that. If חס וחלילה Israelis didn't have shelters and they were unprotected, Hamas most certainly would not have a high kill rate, relatively speaking.

I would guess an average of 3-5 on the higher end.

For heavens sake, 10-30% fall short in Gaza.

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« Reply #2399 on: October 19, 2023, 12:54:34 PM »
Obviously.

On a large screen, I usually follow along with the translation, noting edits, inaccuracies, etc. but I watched this on my phone, and the text was just too small for me to be bothered.
Thanks for sharing, I don't think the translation is bad at all. It just doesn't give over the message the same way as the original.