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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5160 on: November 04, 2023, 11:21:00 PM »
The other side is becoming the narrative. Stay in the echo-chamber as the support keeps eroding.

Everyone here is counting on you to leak out of the echo chamber!

The PR war is where the Israelis often lose. Until they realize that the world doesn't really care about the truth, they can't win by debunking lies. They need a better strategy.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5161 on: November 04, 2023, 11:30:33 PM »
Everyone here is counting on you to leak out of the echo chamber!

The PR war is where the Israelis often lose. Until they realize that the world doesn't really care about the truth, they can't win by debunking lies. They need a better strategy.
In the PR game they are the underdog. That doesn't mean you stop trying. If they didn't step up with the hospital bombing the headlines would still be they bombed a hospital.

What purpose does post after post on how the world hates us do? Who is your target audience?
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5162 on: November 04, 2023, 11:49:53 PM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-officials-oxygen-concentrators-for-gaza-tunnels-found-hidden-in-aid-shipment/


I am shocked, I say, shocked.

I thought that this from the above story is important. I couldn't understand why Israel wouldn't rather provide its own humanitarian aid to Gaza rather than risk resupplying Hamas with armaments. I'm gratified that they worked something out that could make sense.

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Since Egypt opened its Rafah crossing into Gaza 11 days ago, several hundred trucks filled with humanitarian aid have been able to enter Gaza following inspections by both Egyptian and Israeli authorities.

The trucks first enter Egypt where they undergo an initial round of inspections. They then are driven into Israel through the Nitzana crossing where they are inspected by Israel’s COGAT military liaison before being sent back to Egypt and driven into Gaza through the Rafah crossing, a second Israeli official tells The Times of Israel, saying the format was agreed upon after extensive talks between Israel, Egypt and the United States.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5164 on: November 04, 2023, 11:57:55 PM »
Without citing any outside outlet or opinion, I have a question for you: Did Israel do anything morally wrong in their current war?

If you say yes, please tell me what they should've done instead, and if the same wrongdoings were perpetrated by the US or the UK anytime over the last 100 years.


CV, you may want to respond to this post, as judging by my increasing like-count, it seems that for you
the support keeps eroding.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5165 on: November 05, 2023, 12:01:13 AM »
...as judging by my increasing like-count, it seems that for you
You are correct. Do I need to explain how an echo-chamber works?  :)
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5166 on: November 05, 2023, 12:01:31 AM »
Based on the flight paths of the American drones that are flying over Gaza, why are they exclusively over the south of Gaza?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5167 on: November 05, 2023, 12:06:25 AM »
You are correct. Do I need to explain how an echo-chamber works?  :)
Could you just answer the question?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5168 on: November 05, 2023, 12:06:43 AM »
Based on the flight paths of the American drones that are flying over Gaza, why are they exclusively over the south of Gaza?
Hopefully that is where the hostages are. If they are in the north, I don't even want to think about that.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5169 on: November 05, 2023, 12:08:21 AM »
Could you just answer the question?
If you can get the assessments on the strikes then I would be able to. 
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5170 on: November 05, 2023, 12:09:07 AM »
i doubt they are in South as its split by a river which means tunnels can't cross

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5171 on: November 05, 2023, 12:10:12 AM »
If you can get the assessments on the strikes then I would be able to.
Could you just answer the question?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5172 on: November 05, 2023, 12:11:07 AM »
i doubt they are in South as its split by a river which means tunnels can't cross
The Lincoln Tunnel would like to have a word with you

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5173 on: November 05, 2023, 12:13:35 AM »

I can't with the limited amount of information.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5174 on: November 05, 2023, 12:27:42 AM »
I can't with the limited amount of information.
This means that should some reported information turn out to be true, then Israel did something immoral.

What would that be?

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« Reply #5175 on: November 05, 2023, 12:34:01 AM »
This means that should some reported information turn out to be true, then Israel did something immoral.

What would that be?
I don't know what you mean.
Israel can't say what their strike assessment is, and I understand that. Is the assessment 1 terrorist would be killed and 500 civilians or 500 terrorist and 1 civilian. Those are extremes because your next question will be what ratio is immoral/moral.
I would never want to make those decisions.
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« Reply #5176 on: November 05, 2023, 12:57:52 AM »
I don't know what you mean.
Israel can't say what their strike assessment is, and I understand that. Is the assessment 1 terrorist would be killed and 500 civilians or 500 terrorist and 1 civilian. Those are extremes because your next question will be what ratio is immoral/moral.
I would never want to make those decisions.
So if the terrorists are effective in setting up a lot of human shields, and it drives the ratio of enemy civilians* to terrorists up, should the terrorists have immunity and be allowed to continue to slaughter Israeli children?

*I call them enemy civilians because they are the civilians of the enemy government, just like the residents of Germany during WWII.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5177 on: November 05, 2023, 12:58:32 AM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5178 on: November 05, 2023, 01:05:52 AM »
So if the terrorists are effective in setting up a lot of human shields, and it drives the ratio of enemy civilians* to terrorists up, should the terrorists have immunity and be allowed to continue to slaughter Israeli children?
Here I thought you wanted an honest discussion.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5179 on: November 05, 2023, 01:06:38 AM »
Here I thought you wanted an honest discussion.
Could you just answer the question?