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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5281 on: November 05, 2023, 02:17:32 PM »
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5282 on: November 05, 2023, 02:34:11 PM »
Israel doesn’t get to decide where other countries choose to direct their aid, so that point is moot. It also happens to be it would make them seem anti-humanitarian.
Israel could. They are doing it already.

Show the Arabs living there--and the world--that Hamas wants their people to suffer, while Israel wants them to have prosperity!

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5283 on: November 05, 2023, 02:35:22 PM »

I will safely assume that this is a total misquote (or taken completely out of context) as it seems to be in direct contradiction to multiple sources in our mesorah that identify age 13 as the starting point for any responsibility at all and age 20 for דיני שמים.
(See first Rashi in this week's parsha, for example and Shabbos 89b "דַּל עֶשְׂרִין דְּלָא עָנְשַׁתְּ עֲלַיְיהוּ". It's also seemingly an explicit posuk in Bamidbar 14:29 recording the consequences for the generation of the meraglim who wept: בַּמִּדְבָּ֣ר הַ֠זֶּ֠ה יִפְּל֨וּ פִגְרֵיכֶ֜ם וְכׇל־פְּקֻדֵיכֶם֙ לְכׇל־מִסְפַּרְכֶ֔ם מִבֶּ֛ן עֶשְׂרִ֥ים שָׁנָ֖ה וָמָ֑עְלָה אֲשֶׁ֥ר הֲלִֽינֹתֶ֖ם עָלָֽי׃. Did only those above 20 weep?)
Not commenting on the rest, but it’s not simple at all that non Jews start at 13.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5284 on: November 05, 2023, 02:37:13 PM »
I have mixed feelings about publicizing what Hamas did. It could Chas Vesholom give ideas to others.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5288 on: November 05, 2023, 03:22:59 PM »
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1721258009777557580

Israel should be posting where these rockets are originating from. Chances are most are from Southern Gaza, putting 1.8 million Gazans at risk.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5289 on: November 05, 2023, 03:26:59 PM »
Wow! This is huge.

https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1721210519917343116
“Israel has a right to defend itself, but what Israel does not have the right to do is to kill thousands and thousands of innocent men, women and children who had nothing to do with that attack,” Senator Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont and former Democratic presidential candidate, said on CNN’s State of the Union.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5290 on: November 05, 2023, 03:31:02 PM »
“Israel has a right to defend itself, but what Israel does not have the right to do is to kill thousands and thousands of innocent men, women and children who had nothing to do with that attack,” Senator Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont and former Democratic presidential candidate, said on CNN’s State of the Union.

And even with that position, he doesn't think a ceasefire is the correct call. When he figures out how to keep fighting without killing any civilians, we can give him Obama's Nobel.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5291 on: November 05, 2023, 03:38:58 PM »
And even with that position, he doesn't think a ceasefire is the correct call. When he figures out how to keep fighting without killing any civilians, we can give him Obama's Nobel.
If you are going to use Bernie to support your position it will come back to bite you.  ;)
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5292 on: November 05, 2023, 03:51:29 PM »
If you are going to use Bernie to support your position it will come back to bite you.  ;)

I think you're having trouble with the concept of "even Bernie." Here's an example: "Even my 2 year old knows we can't light the doll on fire." Would you think to quote my 2 year old on any other babble that comes out of his mouth?? Quoting Bernie is simply saying that if even someone as radical left as Bernie can understand that a ceasefire is counterproductive right now, this shouldn't be a hard concept for the world to understand.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5293 on: November 05, 2023, 03:59:39 PM »
I think you're having trouble with the concept of "even Bernie." Here's an example: "Even my 2 year old knows we can't light the doll on fire." Would you think to quote my 2 year old on any other babble that comes out of his mouth?? Quoting Bernie is simply saying that if even someone as radical left as Bernie can understand that a ceasefire is counterproductive right now, this shouldn't be a hard concept for the world to understand.
I get the concept.
The problem is Bernie is Bernie and his cease-fire is temporary. It will evolve into a cease-fire because he believes:
“Israel has a right to defend itself, but what Israel does not have the right to do is to kill thousands and thousands of innocent men, women and children who had nothing to do with that attack,” Senator Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont and former Democratic presidential candidate, said on CNN’s State of the Union.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5294 on: November 05, 2023, 04:03:18 PM »
I get the concept.
The problem is Bernie is Bernie and his cease-fire is temporary. It will evolve into a cease-fire because he believes:

He obviously believes that there must be a way to avoid civilian casualties without stopping the fighting, or else he'd be calling for a ceasefire. Knowing the little I know of Bernie, if he had an idea of how to do that, even a stupid idea, he'd say it. He didn't, which means that this "save the civilians" stance is purely ideological and not practical, and he currently believes the reality outweighs the ideology.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5295 on: November 05, 2023, 04:07:45 PM »
He obviously believes that there must be a way to avoid civilian casualties
You give him too much credit.
He’s rambling away without a clue or an idea.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5296 on: November 05, 2023, 04:09:12 PM »
He obviously believes that there must be a way to avoid civilian casualties without stopping the fighting, or else he'd be calling for a ceasefire. Knowing the little I know of Bernie, if he had an idea of how to do that, even a stupid idea, he'd say it. He didn't, which means that this "save the civilians" stance is purely ideological and not practical, and he currently believes the reality outweighs the ideology.
That is how you see it. Other side will see it as Israel killing thousand and thousand civilians.
Going to repost this as it gives insight how someone not attached to the war looks at it. While it has inaccuracies the message is spot on.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5297 on: November 05, 2023, 04:09:45 PM »
“Israel has a right to defend itself, but what Israel does not have the right to do is to kill thousands and thousands of innocent men, women and children who had nothing to do with that attack,” Senator Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont and former Democratic presidential candidate, said on CNN’s State of the Union.
Imagine if he was around to let the US military know how to do that in Iraq and Afghanistan!

More importantly, Sanders voted no on the Iraq war, but is not calling for a ceasefire now. That's how left you have to be to be calling for a ceasefire now.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5298 on: November 05, 2023, 04:12:56 PM »
More importantly, Sanders voted no on the Iraq war, but is not calling for a ceasefire now. That's how left you have to be to be calling for a ceasefire now.
...and what happens when a moderate calls for a cease-fire. What will that show you?
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5299 on: November 05, 2023, 04:15:41 PM »
...and what happens when a moderate calls for a cease-fire. What will that show you?
Me? Nothing.
But it will make them think twice about where they should be when dovish Bernie has said no ceasefire.

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