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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5680 on: November 07, 2023, 09:08:24 AM »
You are twisting everything to fit your narrative. My first clue is you didn't post a link to the article.
ETA: Somewhat ad-hominem but if that's all you got.....
https://us.cnn.com/2023/11/07/us/thousand-oaks-protest-man-dies/index.html
ETA: The article was edited to add Jewish to the headline. You don't have to believe if you choose not to.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5681 on: November 07, 2023, 09:08:43 AM »
I think you're kind of missing the point here. No one has any problem with upholding sterling journalistic standards and being careful with exactly what you report especially when every word matters and waiting a bit will allow you to gain clarity on the facts.
The point is every single headline is analyzed in a way for conformation bias.
The media hates us. Let's dissect this headline in a way to prove that.

There was an altercation and a man died. Now wait for the facts to see if he was killed, murdered or something else.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5682 on: November 07, 2023, 09:10:44 AM »
https://us.cnn.com/2023/11/07/us/thousand-oaks-protest-man-dies/index.html
Now if I was the other side, they would be saying the guy fell and hit his head, an accident. See how that works?
“During the altercation, Kessler fell backwards and struck his head on the ground,” the sheriff’s office said.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5684 on: November 07, 2023, 09:14:11 AM »
Gaza resident: 'The IDF fired, but not at us'
Rare testimony of a Palestinian woman tells of her escape from Gaza City under the protection of IDF forces.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/379869
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5685 on: November 07, 2023, 09:15:27 AM »
hi there
Thanks for confirming the echo-chamber.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5686 on: November 07, 2023, 09:17:17 AM »
Now if I was the other side, they would be saying the guy fell and hit his head, an accident. See how that works?
“During the altercation, Kessler fell backwards and struck his head on the ground,” the sheriff’s office said.
Yeah that fact isn't going to change. So is your position now that the headlines will not use the word killed even after it's ruled a homicide? And since when does killing have to be intentional. Look you've done great work trying to prevent this thread from being an echo chamber. (ETA: and I agree with you more than I care to admit here.) But moving goalposts isn't a good look on you.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5687 on: November 07, 2023, 09:26:44 AM »
Yeah that fact isn't going to change. So is your position now that the headlines will not use the word killed even after it's ruled a homicide? And since when does killing have to be intentional. Look you've done great work trying to prevent this thread from being an echo chamber. But moving goalposts isn't a good look on you.
You keep trying to twist the word. Homicide is the classification the ME uses for the death certificate.

I will ask again. What part of this is so hard to understand?

There was an altercation and a man died. Now wait for the facts to see if he was killed, murdered or something else.

Now here is how the echo-chamber works. Let's say the police statement is the Jewish man was attacked and violent hit with the bullhorn causing his death. He is being charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Now the echo-chamber crowd response will be: See we told you. We were right he was killed. It is you in the echo-chamber!
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5688 on: November 07, 2023, 09:27:26 AM »
Thanks for confirming the echo-chamber.
This “efsher farkerting” has entered the 32nd day with no signs of slowing down

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5689 on: November 07, 2023, 09:30:27 AM »
@CountValentine let me guess, Epstein killed himself too? ::)

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5690 on: November 07, 2023, 09:32:43 AM »
@CountValentine let me guess, Epstein killed himself too? ::)
He didn't commit suicide?
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5691 on: November 07, 2023, 09:33:23 AM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5692 on: November 07, 2023, 09:44:06 AM »

He did an excellent job. It seems like they cut off some of his answers.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5693 on: November 07, 2023, 09:50:35 AM »
Thank you King Charles for getting it!

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5694 on: November 07, 2023, 09:53:22 AM »
Hello ECHO-CHAMBER!!!  ::)
I just looked up and researched the term for the first time.

Yes, YOU ARE CORRECT. This forum is indeed an echo chamber. We are a collection of few hundred religious Jews, and while we may have different beliefs and views, we are more-than-fewer common denominators, some of them being very pro Israel belonging to Jews, and we all very against anti-Semitism (duh).

When someone posts here a ant-Semitic tweet or news article, the purpose isn't to "prove" anything to anyone (not to you or anyone else).

Why do we post it? I honestly don't know.. but even if you weren't on these forums, these posts would still be posted.

So I'm not sure why you are taking it as a "argument" (for lack of better word) and the need to play devils advocate all the time.

Of course we know that there other ways of looking at things, and while some of us might like the fun of it (trying to disprove you).. sometimes it just gets annoying.

So let's just all be on the same page.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5695 on: November 07, 2023, 10:01:06 AM »
So let's just all be on the same page.
can't, then it will be an echo chamber

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5696 on: November 07, 2023, 10:02:15 AM »
So I'm not sure why you are taking it as a "argument" (for lack of better word) and the need to play devils advocate all the time.
Would it be fair to me ask the same. Why does there need to be an argument on everything I post?

We now have a thread for NO DISCUSSION on the war. There are numerous posts in that thread. Only two posts out of them someone felt the need to comment on. You want to guess who's two post they were?

I agree with you that it does get annoying. 

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5697 on: November 07, 2023, 10:04:38 AM »
We’ll disagree I guess
Let's say the police statement is the Jewish man was attacked and violent hit with the bullhorn causing his death.
Maybe I’m reading into your post too much, but are you implying that the bullhorn causing the blunt force trauma, as opposed to the ground, is the deciding factor in whether he was killed?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5698 on: November 07, 2023, 10:10:52 AM »
We now have a thread for NO DISCUSSION on the war. There are numerous posts in that thread. Only two posts out of them someone felt the need to comment on. You want to guess who's two post they were?
8/19 are your posts so statistically that makes sense.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #5699 on: November 07, 2023, 10:13:39 AM »
8/19 are your posts so statistically that makes sense.
Here we go again. I have less than half the posts. I have the only posts being commented on. Please show the math on how that statistically makes sense.
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