Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[EliJelly]

https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1793818784181948429

Even the hostages aren't forced to chant "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", I think.

[flyingace]

Not surprising from a country that committed genocide against all its Jews.

Spain actually did not kill the Jews, they expelled them. This is not to say that they treated Jews ok. Just that genocide seems to be the wrong word.

[DaasTora]

Not surprising from a country that committed genocide against all its Jews.

To be fair to Spain, they actually saved thousands of Jews during World War Two including all their own plus many Greeks despite numerous requests from the Nazis.

[Dan]

Spain actually did not kill the Jews

Excuse me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-da-f%C3%A9

[Dan]

To be fair to Spain, they actually saved thousands of Jews during World War Two including all their own

A whole 4,000 Jews lived in Spain pre WW2, due to 400 years of the Inquisition.

[DaasTora]

Spain actually did not kill the Jews, they expelled them. This is not to say that they treated Jews ok. Just that genocide seems to be the wrong word.

You don’t seem to know about 1391-1492 before the expulsion even……… Regardless, what about “ethnic cleansing”?

[DaasTora]

A whole 4,000 Jews lived in Spain pre WW2, due to 400 years of the Inquisition.

A whole 4000 jews were saved!

[Dan]

A whole 4000 jews were saved!

BH. But let's not even begin to pretend that justifies what they did to hundreds of thousands of Jews over centuries of persecution.

[DaasTora]

BH. But let's not even begin to pretend that justifies what they did to hundreds of thousands of Jews over centuries of persecution.

Agree. They anyway deserve “petch” for what they’re currently doing.

[flyingace]

Excuse me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-da-f%C3%A9

Genocide is to kill out the population. The Church burned Marranos or New Christians at the stake, not "unconverted" Jews. They passed many laws persecuting Jews, and in the end expelled them. I don't think genocide is the right word-even though their goal was to rid Spain of the Jews.

[flyingace]

You don’t seem to know about 1391-1492 before the expulsion even……… Regardless, what about “ethnic cleansing”?

Yes, there were riots and forced conversions and killing. Certainly ethnic cleansing could be used as their goal was to be free of Jews. I am not excusing or whitewashing how Spain and the Church treated Jews. I don't think genocide is the right word, though.

[DaasTora]

Yes, there were riots and forced conversions and killing. I just think genocide is the wrong word. Certainly ethnic cleansing could be used as their goal was to be free of Jews.

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=136198.0

[Chuchum Ainer]

Spain actually did not kill the Jews, they expelled them. This is not to say that they treated Jews ok. Just that genocide seems to be the wrong word.

And because today words don't matter, we have the UN definition which accepts acts committed with the intent to make it too hard for a group to continue existing.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

The popular understanding of what constitutes genocide tends to be broader than the content of the norm under international law. Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements:
A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
....

I'd say they attempted to end the Jewish people as best as they could

(not that their actions 500 years ago are relevant today)

[flyingace]

And because today words don't matter, we have the UN definition which accepts acts committed with the intent to make it too hard for a group to continue existing.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
I'd say they attempted to end the Jewish people as best as they could

(not that their actions 500 years ago are relevant today)

Certainly fits the UN definition.

[flyingace]

Anyone know what is going on in Tzefas?

[yelped]

Spain actually did not kill the Jews, they expelled them. This is not to say that they treated Jews ok. Just that genocide seems to be the wrong word.

Just read CGR's trip report, you will see enough... Suffice to say, no country is innocent when it comes to their treatment of the Jews.

[lcm]

Anyone know what is going on in Tzefas?

Maybe this
https://x.com/IAFsite/status/1793839668339114376

[yelped]

More details, and how our soldiers are in mortal danger with every move in Gaza:

https://x.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1793737604829003937

[yelped]

When it's so clear that they are a big part of this, why are we doing so little to counter them?

https://x.com/rich_goldberg/status/1793790417806270769

[frum poster]

Uncofirmed reports of another 3 dead hostages found in Rafah.