Israel vs. Iran And Proxies: War Discussion Master Thread

[WayBackMachine]

So they can soup it up and develop and install technology that no one else has.

according to my motherboard's memory, Israel was in the final stages of developing their own fighter jets that would compete with the US F series, orders started coming in as they were already doing test flights,

USA pressured Israel to drop it in favor of gaining access of their jets and ability to modify to their needs, Israel accepted the deal and it was a controversial topic in Israel not everyone agreed.

so when you hear about aid they get from the US well its not so simple its more than accepting donations.

[WayBackMachine]

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The claim you’ve described is not accurate. Here are the key points to fact-check:

Israeli Fighter Jet Development: Israel has developed its own fighter jets, notably the Lavi fighter aircraft. The Lavi program began in the 1980s with the goal of creating an indigenous fighter jet. However, by the early 1990s, the program was terminated.

US Pressure and Lavi Program: The U.S. did express concerns over the Lavi program, primarily due to its potential impact on the market for U.S. fighter jets and the desire to ensure that U.S. aid was used to procure American military equipment. The U.S. offered financial support to Israel under conditions that encouraged the purchase of American jets like the F-16 and F-15, but it was not a direct or overt pressure campaign.

Controversy in Israel: The decision to cancel the Lavi program was indeed controversial within Israel. Some saw it as a setback for Israel’s defense industry, while others viewed it as a necessary compromise to maintain strong U.S.-Israeli relations and ensure continued American military aid.

US Aid Dynamics: U.S. military aid to Israel is a multifaceted relationship, involving both financial support and requirements for purchasing American military equipment. This relationship reflects broader strategic interests and agreements between the two countries.

Overall, while there was significant U.S. influence and a degree of controversy, the situation was more complex than simply "pressuring" Israel to drop its program.

[Ver hut gazugt]

according to my motherboard's memory, Israel was in the final stages of developing their own fighter jets that would compete with the US F series, orders started coming in as they were already doing test flights,

USA pressured Israel to drop it in favor of gaining access of their jets and ability to modify to their needs, Israel accepted the deal and it was a controversial topic in Israel not everyone agreed.

so when you hear about aid they get from the US well its not so simple its more than accepting donations.

true but missing some key details.


The United States government paid for around 40% of the development and production costs. But this was part of the problem; the US didn't want an aircraft that could compete with its own F-16 and F/A-18 fighters on the export market, so it started to refuse export licenses for essential parts and stopped funding the program.

[Sam 77]

 

I recall seeing a recent video about the IAF where claims were made that the Israeli version of the F35 includes Israeli technology and is superior to the American version.

I read about this awhile ago on simply flying it's legit

[imayid2]

They've been doing this throughout wikipedia

https://www.jns.org/wikipedia-hates-israel-and-jews/

[Chuchum Ainer]

https://www.jns.org/wikipedia-hates-israel-and-jews/

The anti Israel slant is because 1) the massive amount of editors who lean that way, both standard anti israel ones, and Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians, et al. 2) Wikipedia's editor base skews left, as do most publishing houses, newspapers, media companies, universities etc. Liberals in general are less likely to be pro israel. So the available "reliable sources" are more likely to support an anti israel slant.

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that "big tech" is somehow responsible for wikipedia's content.

Candace Owens is a troll. No idea what her point in that video is, but to suggest that "if it's on Wikipedia basically after they've obscured everything" it's true, is just a dig on big tech or whoever from the other side.

[Chuchum Ainer]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MuslimLounge/comments/19bihk1/will_i_be_sinful_if_i_buy_from_a_brand_that/

[yawn]

Hey Google ……….

[Chuchum Ainer]

Hey Google ……….

Report it. I did. Maybe it'll make a difference?
(it pulls from, you guessed it, wikipedia)

[AsherO]

I recall seeing a recent video about the IAF where claims were made that the Israeli version of the F35 includes Israeli technology and is superior to the American version.

Also, (all?) the marvelous F35 helmets are developed/made in Israel:
https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/52041

[Kobe Bryant]

https://x.com/TheMossadIL/status/1820520046499860884

50% have been removed from the deck!

[PlatinumGuy]

according to my motherboard's memory, Israel was in the final stages of developing their own fighter jets that would compete with the US F series, orders started coming in as they were already doing test flights,

Nope, the Israeli Lavi plane was a light jet to be used for training.

[sguitarist18]

Nope, the Israeli Lavi plane was a light jet to be used for training.

I've heard from a number of sources that it was intended to be a combat jet, not just for training.

[aygart]

Nope, the Israeli Lavi plane was a light jet to be used for training.

What is the purpose of putting in all those resources to train in something not even used in action?

[ilherman]

There is new reporting now that Israel is preparing to be attached in the next 48 hours...

Who am I?.. But my gut feeling is that the Iranians are chickening out.. They have no good options... To do the same thing like in April will just make them look weak and to go full on will trigger a war which they know they will lose.

They could have maneuvered it much better from the beginning. It is not like last time where israel took out one of their IRGC generals... They took out an outsider who was visiting their country - Just condemn it and move on. Why start threatening all out war? Now they have a problem because they talked so big...

[Kobe Bryant]

Teharan.

Iran needs to tread lightly or Theran will get wiped off the face of the planet.

@ilherman I tend to agree. I don’t see a large scale attack by Iran. OTOH Lebanon might be suicidal. Ideally Israel should preemptively attack Lebanon.

[JMHO]

There is new reporting now that Israel is preparing to be attached in the next 48 hours...

Who am I?.. But my gut feeling is that the Iranians are chickening out.. They have no good options... To do the same thing like in April will just make them look weak and to go full on will trigger a war which they know they will lose.

They could have maneuvered it much better from the beginning. It is not like last time where israel took out one of their IRGC generals... They took out an outsider who was visiting their country - Just condemn it and move on. Why start threatening all out war? Now they have a problem because they talked so big...

They need an off ramp...

[Chilla]

Lol.....

Halevai!

Seems so naive to fall for this naarative of Iran backing down that the Biden admin probably spread today.

[Chuchum Ainer]

Honest question, was there this much speculation in Iran as to how Israel would respond to Iran's missile and drone attack?

[Alexsei]

Why can't they just claim credit for assassinating Eli Copter in retaliation?