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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2012, 04:13:21 PM »
Also not true. Although I believe the afternoon continental flight does not take meisim

Maybe something changed, but as of pretty recently that was the policy

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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2012, 04:17:06 PM »
Maybe something changed, but as of pretty recently that was the policy
I know someone who took a meis on a Newark flight pretty recently
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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2012, 05:34:53 PM »
I know someone who took a meis on a Newark flight pretty recently
Ya but it was checked baggage and Elal wasn't aware
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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2012, 08:28:24 PM »
I know someone who took a meis on a Newark flight pretty recently
was it on Continental?

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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2012, 08:57:27 PM »
Pichas Mandel knows all the ins and outs, if someone really needs to know you can call them.

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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2012, 09:06:57 PM »
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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2012, 10:24:17 PM »
Also many ELAL flights going to Israel have a Meis on-board and it is not a halachic problem because of the way the do it, they worked it out with the Poskim
FYI, "the" Poskim in this case does not include Reb Elyashiv. I am a kohen, and basically will only fly to israel with a stop over in europe first for this very reason.
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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2012, 01:17:07 AM »
Elal didn't know what was checked in?

I don't buy that. They maybe don't care.

Why would someone bring a mais from israel to usa, isn't that problematic according to halacha?

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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2012, 02:54:00 AM »
Elal didn't know what was checked in?

I don't buy that. They maybe don't care.

Why would someone bring a mais from israel to usa, isn't that problematic according to halacha?
it was obviously a joke. nobody checks in dead people. its done through cargo and elal is quite aware.

were only talking about bringing from the us to israel


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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2012, 02:55:27 AM »
FYI, "the" Poskim in this case does not include Reb Elyashiv. I am a kohen, and basically will only fly to israel with a stop over in europe first for this very reason.
do continental, us airways & delta all take meisim?

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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2012, 09:47:17 PM »
A quick google yielded:
DL: http://www.delta.com/business_programs_services/delta_cargo/products_rates_shipping/products/specialty_shipments/delta_cares/index.jsp
CO: http://cargo.cocargo.com/cargo/products/trustco.aspx
AA: https://www.aacargo.com/shipping/humanremains.jhtml
USAirways: only looked for a minute, but I am pretty sure they do too.
As I said earlier speak to Mandel, he specializes in this area. I am quite sure that only certain airline(s) are constantly transporting meisim.

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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2012, 04:00:31 PM »
Before listening to some Israeli Ban-happy Rov, I suggest you call your American Rov, the airplane is a Rshuas Hayachid, which is also sealed, even though tumah goes all the way up to the skies, it is sort of the same as a kohen walking in a cemetary with people surrounding him....


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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2012, 04:00:52 PM »
@elikay: you were joking I hope.

He's actually very on target.
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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2012, 06:27:32 PM »
Before listening to some Israeli Ban-happy Rov, I suggest you call your American Rov, the airplane is a Rshuas Hayachid, which is also sealed, even though tumah goes all the way up to the skies, it is sort of the same as a kohen walking in a cemetary with people surrounding him....

Also many ELAL flights going to Israel have a Meis on-board and it is not a halachic problem because of the way the do it, they worked it out with the Poskim
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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2012, 10:21:46 PM »
My recent study shows:

Meisim FROM USA:
ElAl from Newark doesnt take meisim because theres no scanner big enough for coffins.
United from Newark takes meisim on all flight, and all meisim from the USA are routed through there.
ELAL JFK: Takes meisim, However they will tell you if they expect a meis and will alow you to go onto the next flight for free.

M"ikkur Hadin, ELAL places a tefach between the meis and aron, this stops the Tumas Ohel, so you would be able to fly any ELAL flight to Israel.

FROM ISRAEL:
Flights leaving from shortly after sunset until 12AM go over Cemetery, this ends at 12AM because of noise over populated areas.

Facts may change, and my review may contain some errors,
 as always contact your LOR.

Reb Nissin Kaplan has told me that he goes into a body bag for a certain amount of time about 2 minutes into flight, and that as well breaks the tumma.

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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2012, 10:44:05 PM »
he takes a body bag on the plane????
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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2012, 12:05:28 AM »
he takes a body bag on the plane????
Correct!! :o :o

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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2012, 12:17:40 AM »
he takes a body bag on the plane????
Correct!! :o :o
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Re: ATT ALL KOHANIM TRAVELING TO/FROM BEN GURION AIRPORT
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2012, 01:21:18 AM »
I personally know someone who brought a meis on an El Al Newark flight.
are you sure united brings meisim on the afternoon flight? last I checked they didn't
May I ask what the source of your info is?
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