Simchas Torah War - Flights Discussion Thread

[TBD]

Based on the letter you won’t have a choice (meaning if you decline the boat you forfeit your US evacuation option.

Probably all Shomrei shabbes will receive an email 10 minutes after sunset Friday that they need to be ready within 12 hours which is Shabbos morning
@Dan prepare already an article how the US forces it's citizens to be mechalel shabbos

[Shmueli]

The State Department is being dragged into this kicking and screaming. They don’t think these folks are legitimately entitled to be evacuated and are doing everything possible to make it as untenable as option as possible.

As they should.

Bunch of whining Americans. Get a grip.

I've been in Yerushalayim this whole time. There haven't been any sirens for 2 days now.

Everyone chill about about yourself and say a kappitel of tehillim for the countless soldiers who are in actual danger on the front lines.
In fact, let's start a "Stop whining, start saying Tehillim instead" campaign - Click the link to take one perek of Tehillim!!

Or maybe give some Tzedaka to United Hatzalah to help them aid those that are injured.
Or to Zaka to help them bury all our murdered brothers.

There are 10s of thousands of almonos and yesomim in this country right now. But every Mr. USA Citizen feels like just yelling at the the US government as if it's not big deal to evacuate a country with (I think..??) around 1 million US citizens.

There are many far more important things that the US is doing now like aiding Israel with arms, money, food, medicine etc. but a bunch of spoiled Americans feel that THEY are not getting the required attention so the US must waste recourses and fly them home instead.

On top of that, there are flights available if you try hard enough. Not cheap or direct flights. But if you were that nervous about fleeing the country, it is doable.

[Shmueli]

looks like the state department is run by a bunch of antisemitic liberals

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[liosac]

Senior US State Department official Ned Price says on a call with American faith leaders that the Biden administration is seriously considering dispatching charter flights for US citizens looking to evacuate from Israel and will likely have an announcement on the matter later today.

The number of commercial flights to and from Israel has decreased by the day since the Saturday Hamas onslaught.

[simple26]

Any word on what this will cost? (I’m just curious)

They’ll probably bill for it the same time passports comes through…and then you can sign up for installment plan which eventually gets forgiven..

[yitzgar]

As they should.

Bunch of whining Americans. Get a grip.

I've been in Yerushalayim this whole time. There haven't been any sirens for 2 days now.

Everyone chill about about yourself and say a kappitel of tehillim for the countless soldiers who are in actual danger on the front lines.
In fact, let's start a "Stop whining, start saying Tehillim instead" campaign - Click the link to take one perek of Tehillim!!

Or maybe give some Tzedaka to United Hatzalah to help them aid those that are injured.
Or to Zaka to help them bury all our murdered brothers.

There are 10s of thousands of almonos and yesomim in this country right now. But every Mr. USA Citizen feels like just yelling at the the US government as if it's not big deal to evacuate a country with (I think..??) around 1 million US citizens.

There are many far more important things that the US is doing now like aiding Israel with arms, money, food, medicine etc. but a bunch of spoiled Americans feel that THEY are not getting the required attention so the US must waste recourses and fly them home instead.

On top of that, there are flights available if you try hard enough. Not cheap or direct flights. But if you were that nervous about fleeing the country, it is doable.

The US has plenty of resources for this as well and it won't take anything away. There are many people who were visiting and need to get home for work, school and various other reasons. There is no reason for them to have to stay. The fact that there are many other people suffering doesn't mean they should be forced to stay away from home, and it doesn't make them "whining Americans" because they want to go home. And yes, even if it is relatively safe compared to other parts of the country, that doesn't mean their government shouldn't be trying to help them get home. This isn't the first time the us government helped citizens leave a country that had a war break out

[yitzgar]

looks like the state department is run by a bunch of antisemitic liberals

Nothing new here

[TBD]

There are many far more important things that the US is doing now like aiding Israel with arms, money, food, medicine etc. but a bunch of spoiled Americans feel that THEY are not getting the required attention so the US must waste recourses and fly them home instead.

Like taking care of the 200,000 illegal immigrants coming in from Mexico every month or making sure that climate change doesn't destroy the world....
You need to have priorities, and they have the correct one

[Shmueli]

The US has plenty of resources for this as well and it won't take anything away. There are many people who were visiting and need to get home for work, school and various other reasons. There is no reason for them to have to stay. The fact that there are many other people suffering doesn't mean they should be forced to stay away from home, and it doesn't make them "whining Americans" because they want to go home. And yes, even if it is relatively safe compared to other parts of the country, that doesn't mean their government shouldn't be trying to help them get home. This isn't the first time the us government helped citizens leave a country that had a war break out

So let me get this straight... The US has an obligation to evacuate a million people because it's hard to find a flight home and they're gonna miss "work or school"? The horror!

Missing work isn't a reason for a countrywide evacuation sir...

The main war is in Gaza and the surrounding areas.  If you are in those areas that's one thing.
When was the last time the US evacuated Israel when there were air raid sirens once in a while?

They are not being "forced to stay away from home". There are flights if you try.

And of course it will take away recourses.

[Shmueli]

So let me get this straight... The US has an obligation to evacuate a million people because it's hard to find a flight home and they're gonna miss "work or school"? The horror!

Missing work isn't a reason for a countrywide evacuation sir...

The main war is in Gaza and the surrounding areas.  If you are in those areas that's one thing.
When was the last time the US evacuated Israel when there were air raid sirens once in a while?

They are not being "forced to stay away from home". There are flights if you try.

And of course it will take away recourses.

But let's stop fighting. We have enough of that here as is.

say a kappitel of tehillim for the countless soldiers who are in actual danger on the front lines.
In fact, let's start a "Stop whining, start saying Tehillim instead" campaign - Click the link to take one perek of Tehillim!!

Or maybe give some Tzedaka to United Hatzalah to help them aid those that are injured.
Or to Zaka to help them bury all our murdered brothers.

[yitzgar]

So let me get this straight... The US has an obligation to evacuate a million people because it's hard to find a flight home and they're gonna miss "work or school"? The horror!

Missing work isn't a reason for a countrywide evacuation sir...

The main war is in Gaza and the surrounding areas.  If you are in those areas that's one thing.
When was the last time the US evacuated Israel when there were air raid sirens once in a while?

They are not being "forced to stay away from home". There are flights if you try.

And of course it will take away recourses.

Nobody is talking about evacuating a million people. It's primarily tourists especially visitors that came for sukkos

[yitzgar]

But let's stop fighting. We have enough of that here as is.

You are the only one that seems angry that people want to go home

[Shmueli]

JUST DO IT!! IT WILL TAKE LESS THAN 1 MIN!! 

Say a kappitel of tehillim for the countless soldiers who are in actual danger on the front lines.
In fact, let's start a "Stop whining, start saying Tehillim instead" campaign - Click the link to take one perek of Tehillim!!

Or maybe give some Tzedaka to United Hatzalah to help them aid those that are injured.
Or to Zaka to help them bury all our murdered brothers.

[Shmueli]

You are the only one that seems angry that people want to go home

I was being sarcastic to help bring out a point.

[Something Fishy]

So let me get this straight... The US has an obligation to evacuate a million people because it's hard to find a flight home and they're gonna miss "work or school"? The horror!

Missing work isn't a reason for a countrywide evacuation sir...

The main war is in Gaza and the surrounding areas.  If you are in those areas that's one thing.
When was the last time the US evacuated Israel when there were air raid sirens once in a while?

They are not being "forced to stay away from home". There are flights if you try.

And of course it will take away recourses.

I don't even know where to start.

Whenever a war or unrest erupts anywhere in the world and leaving becomes difficult or impossible, governments arrange for rescue or repatriation flights for their citizens, whether by arranging additional commercial flights, arranging charters, or outright using government aircraft. 

If people are trying to leave a war zone but cannot, it is their governments responsibility to get them out. This is SOP around the world for the past few decades at least.

Don't hock about "priorities" or "people whining". The United States can walk and chew gum at the same time. The fact that at least 14 countries have already completed their evacuations or are nearly done doing so while the US futzes around with this nonsense is nothing short of shameful.

[mevinyavin]

The United States can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Source?

[LNS]

So let me get this straight... The US has an obligation to evacuate a million people because it's hard to find a flight home and they're gonna miss "work or school"? The horror!

really? How about an elderly gentleman who flew in one his own and is running out of meds
or a family with 9 children that was very nicely told to get out of the apt they were rented and cant afford to stay in a hotel for unlimited amount of time plus book 11 ticket's home at 2k each

read up and you'll find someone posted about someone who was diagnosed while aboard and needs critical treatment back home

i can keep going but i think you get the point
we all agree where everyone's priorities should be but instead of lumping everyone together as whiny Americans try to think there are many individual's  here each with there own story

[aygart]

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1712521425053958495

[Shmueli]

If people are trying to leave a war zone but cannot, it is their governments responsibility to get them out.

The fact that at least 14 countries have already completed their evacuations or are nearly done doing so

Yerushalayim (and most of the country) is not currently a war zone.

I can hear children playing outside my window right now!

This line about "no flights available" and it's "impossible to get out" is simply not true.
I personally know far more people who HAVE gotten out than those who tried and were unable.

Name 1 country that "completed their evacuations"
Name me "at least 14 countries" that are "nearly done" their evacuations.


The real war is down south. Direct your worries, teffilos and tears there instead!

[Something Fishy]

I'm all out of troll food, sorry