Simchas Torah War - Flights Discussion Thread

[yfr bachur]

it's the country of residence responsibility and in that regard, the USA gets an F

That's woke grading.
You can't get a F in a course you don't take.

[tavster]

Are they selling at all ? looks like they only offered to Israel.

I did notice that had an option for leaving Israel Friday afternoon, which is also no longer showing.

I briefly saw online but I guess it was a glitch..
Unrelated, there are videos online of the pool party on Birthright boat on the way to Cyprus..

[moko]

Unrelated, there are videos online of the pool party on Birthright boat on the way to Cyprus..

that's not a surprise
Mostly college kids on spring break

[yfr bachur]

and here come the Calvary... 
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-embassy-working-on-evacuation-plan-for-citizens-who-want-to-leave-israel/

[tavster]

[moko]

I'm just going to say it.... The whole situation is kind of overblown.... Both staying and leaving.

Staying. If you had no pressing specific need (children, simcha, job etc) to get back to, I would stay. I don't understand the argument "what about the chayalim who are separated from their families and lost their jobs?"  Therefore tourists should stay?
Especially in center of the country. Follow the law, don't be stupid, and it's probably safer than crossing the street in Rome (and many other places). I'm not dismissing the terrible fact that dozens are injured and even some that were killed, but overall the nisim experienced will blow you away. Even the army is surprised with the success of interceptions. At least according to my source
All my work meetings were cancelled, family waiting for me and decent options to get home.

Leaving. If you really need to leave, it's not that dangerous and it's not that hard. More tedious than anything else. There's a learning curve if you're not a world traveler. If I had to do it again, I would have dropped off my car in Eilat. Taxi to the border, push/bribe my way through the lines (that's all the tour guides were doing) and take a taxi / van to SSH.
I. The end I paid $500 for an escort + exit / entry fees (no Cairo visa ) $86 for a hotel+ $600 for a last minute flight . I probably could have saved a few hundred but I would have needed my car another day.

Now throw tomatoes

[tavster]

Now throw tomatoes

I'm not going to waste my precious tomatoes 🍅

[mevinyavin]

Now throw tomatoes

Oh, is that what they are calling likes these days?

[SHL]

Not released yet
Apparently united is canceling service to Dubai due to middle east unrest

[SHL]

Not released yet
Apparently united is canceling service to Dubai due to middle east unrest

Official now
Waiver through the 25th

[be happy]

I have couple seats ssh ist jfk  gotta leave Yerushalayim in 3 hours
The whole trip Yerushalayim to jfk 2k
With a driver that did the route couple time already
Pm me

[tavster]

[NTorch]

@boropark boy

[ari3]

Sounds like someone trying to stir up a story.

The post contradicts itself. Flight from Aqaba, and price included transport from Jerusalem to Amman airport.

A family member of mine has a friend who traveled from Aqaba this morning and from what it sounds was the same charter. The family member spoke to the friend after crossing into Jordan on the way to the airport in Aqaba and these were the details given. The plane was delayed arriving in Aqaba so they kept them in Eilat for five or six hours while they waited so as not to cross into Jordan earlier than necessary. The organizers told everyone to not show anything outwardly Jewish (remove Yarmulke, no tehilim) in Jordan. Friend did not report any harassment at the border. (unless it took place at the airport). Dehydration could be because of a lengthy delay without proper provisions. Why couldn't they buy drinks?

With 250 people it shouldn't be hard to find out if what this fellow was posting is true.

[boro boy]

@boropark boy

I see

[YitzyS]

[chevron]

I'm just going to say it.... The whole situation is kind of overblown.... Both staying and leaving.

Staying. If you had no pressing specific need (children, simcha, job etc) to get back to, I would stay. I don't understand the argument "what about the chayalim who are separated from their families and lost their jobs?"  Therefore tourists should stay?
Especially in center of the country. Follow the law, don't be stupid, and it's probably safer than crossing the street in Rome (and many other places). I'm not dismissing the terrible fact that dozens are injured and even some that were killed, but overall the nisim experienced will blow you away. Even the army is surprised with the success of interceptions. At least according to my source
All my work meetings were cancelled, family waiting for me and decent options to get home.

Leaving. If you really need to leave, it's not that dangerous and it's not that hard. More tedious than anything else. There's a learning curve if you're not a world traveler. If I had to do it again, I would have dropped off my car in Eilat. Taxi to the border, push/bribe my way through the lines (that's all the tour guides were doing) and take a taxi / van to SSH.
I. The end I paid $500 for an escort + exit / entry fees (no Cairo visa ) $86 for a hotel+ $600 for a last minute flight . I probably could have saved a few hundred but I would have needed my car another day.

Now throw tomatoes

I was thinking about this and I don't understand why everybody's running away?!?

Unless you have a pressing need to be back, you should stay in Israel to support your people.

Instead of staying with your people when they need you most anybody's running out and spending probably millions on our enemies in Egypt and Jordan

What kind of message are we sending the people of Israel and the world?

[Chuchum Ainer]

I was thinking about this and I don't understand why everybody's running away?!?

Unless you have a pressing need to be back, you should stay in Israel to support your people.

Instead of staying with your people when they need you most anybody's running out and spending probably millions on our enemies in Egypt and Jordan

What kind of message are we sending the people of Israel and the world?

The people I know trying to leave do have "pressing needs."
Singles - summer camps they are supposed to be counselors in, Parents - families they need to return to (and babysitters at the end of their rope). And people with jobs.

Not to mention that some of the schools and yeshivos do not have proper or enough shelters. And no ac in the shelters. And the kitchen is scrambling considering they were supposed to close a week ago. Etc etc. (Happening to people I know. Not speculation).

Many tourists and students are not "supporting your people", they're annoying them by taking space in the shelters, on busses, etc.

Mokos's version I agree with, it's much less judgemental....

[etech0]

I was thinking about this and I don't understand why everybody's running away?!?

Unless you have a pressing need to be back, you should stay in Israel to support your people.

Instead of staying with your people when they need you most anybody's running out and spending probably millions on our enemies in Egypt and Jordan

What kind of message are we sending the people of Israel and the world?

Maybe they have pressing needs?

EDIT: I'm not saying I agree with going through dangerous countries, just that there are definitely people there with pressing reasons to get back to where they live, to their families and jobs etc.

[jr611]

one of the flights from larnaca was about to land and is now circling over the sea