Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?

[AsherO]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CyNSuDxUV2LvLx37ge6YfT6XYKuDiHqK/view

I saw this earlier today and meant to share it. Very strong, a non-Jewish/-Israeli (AFAIK) Brit, setting the rest of the Brits straight

[EliJelly]

I saw this earlier today and meant to share it. Very strong, a non-Jewish/-Israeli (AFAIK) Brit, setting the rest of the Brits straight

Yup. More powerful when "they" get it right.

[Ver hut gazugt]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-premier-israel-cant-destroy-hamas-as-its-an-idea-and-not-just-in-gaza/

[AsherO]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-premier-israel-cant-destroy-hamas-as-its-an-idea-and-not-just-in-gaza/

In one sentence he says it’s an idea and that the leadership is in Qatar. Make up your mind.

Hamas is a terror organization that must be destroyed. Antisemitism is an idea that can’t be fought with guns, and requires its proponents’ healing to eradicate it.

[mevinyavin]

This is more or less a full retraction from how the world interpreted HonestReporting's article.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/watchdog-accepts-news-orgs-werent-tipped-off-about-oct-7-we-just-raised-questions/

[Ver hut gazugt]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/380144

[imayid2]

https://open.substack.com/pub/dersh/p/dershowitz-palestinians-share-hamas guilt

[yelped]

https://twitter.com/skjask/status/1729088885659975865

[S209]

The perspective of Gaza civilians who hate Hamas.

https://twitter.com/omid_dana/status/1728907934359302456

[yelped]

The perspective of Gaza civilians who hate Hamas.

https://twitter.com/omid_dana/status/1728907934359302456

Not really related to this thread. They still support whatever Hamas did and would like to do to Jews. They just don't like what Hamas does to themselves.

[S209]

Not really related to this thread. They still support whatever Hamas did and would like to do to Jews. They just don't like what Hamas does to themselves.

Not sure I agree with you. Some here say that they’re responsible because they voted for them but clearly many do not want them in power. Also, this shows that they are not a monolith- even if some approve, you can’t assume they all do.

For the record, I voted the middle option. I think the majority do support Hamas but that doesn’t make them combatants.

[yelped]

Not sure I agree with you. Some here say that they’re responsible because they voted for them but clearly many do not want them in power. Also, this shows that they are not a monolith- even if some approve, you can’t assume they all do.

For the record, I voted the middle option. I think the majority do support Hamas but that doesn’t make them combatants.

I don't think you understood my point. That the vast majority hate Jews and would do the same as Hamas did if they had a chance is a fact. Whether they like Hamas or not is not the same discussion.

[S209]

I don't think you understood my point. That the vast majority hate Jews and would do the same as Hamas did if they had a chance is a fact. Whether they like Hamas or not is not the same discussion.

This thread asks if the civilians are responsible for Hamas actions, not if they like Jews.

[yelped]

This thread asks if the civilians are responsible for Hamas actions, not if they like Jews.

It asks if they would replicate Hamas actions.

[S209]

It asks if they would replicate Hamas actions.

Where?

[AsherO]

This thread asks if the civilians are responsible for Hamas actions, not if they like Jews.

You aren’t being fair, he didn’t just say they hate Jews, he also said:

I don't think you understood my point. That the vast majority hate Jews [/b]and would do the same as Hamas did if they had a chance[/b] is a fact. Whether they like Hamas or not is not the same discussion.

Sounds to me like he’s arguing that the civilians share the beliefs of their government (Hamas) and condone their actions (the October 7th massacres), sounds like a valid care for holding the civilians responsible (even if you argue that that responsibility doesn’t mean they deserve to die).

[S209]

You aren’t being fair, he didn’t just say they hate Jews, he also said:

Sounds to me like he’s arguing that the civilians share the beliefs of their government (Hamas) and condone their actions (the October 7th massacres), sounds like a valid care for holding the civilians responsible (even if you argue that that responsibility doesn’t mean they deserve to die).

Sharing beliefs doesn’t make you responsible for their actions. Like I said, I believe the majority support them. But there are definitely many who do not, and those who say they are responsible because they elected them should incorporate this faction into their position.

You are not responsible for someone’s actions just because you agree with them in theory. You *are* responsible for someone’s actions if you materially support them or vote them into power.

[WayBackMachine]

https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1729261977468354641

[aygart]

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1729578082162352508

[S209]

https://twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1729940723535888686